Message from @Fuju

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2018-05-27 23:57:22 UTC  

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2018-05-27 23:57:32 UTC  

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2018-05-28 00:00:54 UTC  

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2018-05-28 01:28:47 UTC  

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2018-05-28 01:34:04 UTC  

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2018-05-28 01:36:24 UTC  

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2018-05-28 01:38:55 UTC  

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2018-05-28 01:49:15 UTC  

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2018-05-28 15:07:18 UTC  

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2018-05-28 15:07:23 UTC  
2018-05-28 15:07:39 UTC  

I literally quoted that though.

2018-05-28 15:07:48 UTC  

```Marxism is anti-property, true socialism is not.```

2018-05-28 15:07:57 UTC  

So can you respond to what I pointed out about it please?

2018-05-28 15:08:08 UTC  

This:
```I'm assuming this is the same notion you're using? If so, when has socialism ever been in favour of private property? How dumb do you have to be to not realise that Hitler's "socialism" is just antisemitic capitalism?```

2018-05-28 15:08:52 UTC  

Socialism is in favor of private property because it benefits the worker and citizen of the nation.

2018-05-28 15:08:58 UTC  

What

2018-05-28 15:09:13 UTC  

The literal definition of socialism is that property is taken into the hands of the community.

2018-05-28 15:09:23 UTC  

And based purely on economic reasons, his policies are called Volksegemeinschaft.

2018-05-28 15:09:25 UTC  

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a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```

2018-05-28 15:09:40 UTC  

Prussian Socialism my dude

2018-05-28 15:09:55 UTC  

It isn't really Socialism, though, is it

2018-05-28 15:10:16 UTC  

Even most Hitlerites I've spoken to have recognized that it isn't Socialist

2018-05-28 15:10:18 UTC  

Hail the Kaiser

2018-05-28 15:10:58 UTC  

It’s not Marxist Socialism yes.

2018-05-28 15:11:21 UTC  

Hitler had his definition to encourage actual socialists to follow his ideology instead and attend their meetings. It isn’t *actual* socialism, they just used the term to help convert socialists.

2018-05-28 15:13:09 UTC  

Marxism is a materialist framework which justifies the movement from capitalism to socialism to communism with dialectics. Strasserism is both socialist and anti-dialectical materialism. Ergo, wanting working class ownership of the means of production is not inherently Marxist, and Strasserism itself is anti-Marxist.

2018-05-28 15:14:03 UTC  

So there's not much point in calling yourself a socialist while rejecting socialist policies, and then calling actual existing socialism "marxist".

2018-05-28 15:14:59 UTC  

Stop being a dumb Hitlerite tbh

2018-05-28 15:18:19 UTC  

I wouldn’t say he rejected all socialist policies though. He did do a lot of pro-German worker things. Establishing national labor unions, paid vacations for both blue and white collar workers, etc. The workers had more say in the work place. Also, the end goal of Marxism is a stateless, classless, currencyless society through worker ownership of the means of production.

2018-05-28 15:18:33 UTC  

Marxism is Socialism, Hitlerite National Socialism is not Marxist Socialism.

2018-05-28 15:18:55 UTC  

Strasserism is just a form of Marxist Socialism without the autistic dialectic.

2018-05-28 15:19:02 UTC  

Those policies are merely policies of Social Democracy, not socialism.

2018-05-28 15:19:34 UTC  

Yes, Marxism's end goal is a stateless, moneyless, classless society, so what? How is that relevant to standard socialism? That's just communism.

2018-05-28 15:20:08 UTC  

Strasserism is Marxist Socialism without the Marxist bit :^)

2018-05-28 15:21:34 UTC  

Socialism is watered down communism and merely a transition. Strasserism is just Marxist Socialism without Marxist overtones. It’s still very left wing socialist and focuses only on the material as does Marxism.

2018-05-28 15:21:44 UTC  

What even

2018-05-28 15:21:52 UTC  

How does Socialism differ from Communism actually?

2018-05-28 15:22:14 UTC  

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

2018-05-28 15:22:19 UTC  

I thought we established this already.

2018-05-28 15:23:06 UTC  

And it’s only achieved through workers owning the means of production.

2018-05-28 15:23:10 UTC  

Socialism is only labelled a transition stage under Marxism. But not all Socialism is Marxist, ergo, Socialists who want to keep a Socialist state without reaching Communism are non-marxist.