@PureEvilPie actually the government continually bailed out failing banks in America that what lead to the finicial crisis banks got used to being bailed out and continued to take risks they knew they shouldn't because Uncle Sam had their backs

More, specifically to do with mortgage policy both in America and to lesser extent Britain, Banks were encouraged to lend to as many people as possible for home purchase and the Government promised they would take the risk prior to this bank would at ratio of 1:4.

So for every 4 "safe" borrowers they leant they would lend to 1 "unsafe" borrower after government made certain guarentees the ratio went to 32:1

No they didn't

One the reason to do with what I just posted

Brown and Blair along with Bush created false economies

@PureEvilPie "inadequate management, sloth, low skills" Correct but this is true of most of the western world, I don't exactly blame our problems on the EU. The EU however does not help solve any of these problem it exacerbates, overly broad irrelevant and expensive regulation, even if I didn't consider them bad actors they are so distant from not just UK populace of the rest of Europe and if you think our politician are out of touch the EU are on an entirely other level.

Not really just giving my two cents I've seen him talk on here enough to know not to

@King Canuck You wat mate

Depends what you mean by real

Sorry couldn't resist

Bible in and of it's self is not evidence for the god the benefit Christian faith provide for over a 1000 years is however proof of a deeper mean, not necessarily and individual, intelligent and all powerful entity

*deeper meaning in the teachings

THere's no issues with Carbon Dating

Like what

128GB individual stick are more expensive tho

The point is no needs 1.5TB of RAM

Yeah but they wouldn't buy a mac as if you were doing such a thing you we would need a bare metal system to support like 4-8 Teslas

HAha 32GB to 64GB is more than will ever need for video editing unless you go to 8K

Yeah but is the majority guarenteed

Race is terribly defined metric as well ethnicity is a better measure it it include nationality/culture

@Storin What about Drow

@Hommedaction Your mixing up Drow with Dunmer

They want diversity they have Zerrikanians

It probably wasn't him that did it

Katie Hopkins

It really depends on how Boris does, they are people that don't really want to be politics after all. They will only stick around if they feel the need to

I am less bother by 2035 target same when made the policy for Carbon Neutral 2050 it tell me they think is low priority, and it give room to change. I also suspect if you bother to talk to Conservative counsellor if you have the party might actually listen

I probably would agree with Diesel being banned. The rest I'm not big on

They shouldn't increase taxes

all that does is increase wealth inequality

And the grants they give to alternatives tend to feed the bullshit CO2 is dangerous narrative rather than feed innovation

There is no form of renewable energy that can provide the power we use now let alone the increasing demand.

The only alternative to Gas, Coal and Oil is Nuclear currently only fission is viable and the eco maniacs won't accept it.

likely within the next 50+ years

Right now we are we won the majority 🙂

Brexiteers isn't a race tho

Loving the responses

Well even that were true a slow death can be eventually be stopped

even people with an IQ less than 80 won't believe you need a high IQ to believe that crap

They don't believe it it either it's just beneficial to pretend they do

Most of it is just virtual signalling there's a reason it's a term they don't believe but they believe that if the pretend they believe it makes them look like the ultimate moral good

@Eccles Good point

But I did say most not all 🙂

I was gonna look into them if the Conservatives screw up but let's be honest is they do next government is going to Labour or Labour/LibDem coalition

Well sometimes it better things don't change rather than change for the worse

I'd rather death by a thousand cuts, especially if those thousand cuts are slow

Why would I wimper from a thousand cuts

I'm still hopeful for Conservative, even though Boris tried to get a freedom of movement deal with Australia, no Boris Trade Good, Freedom of Movement not so much.

And them potentially giving Ofcom the power to fine companies that don't censor what they say should be censor "Include non illegal speech/content" - Paraphrased

$20,000 not pounds

But you ain't wrong

Medicare won't work tho

not for all

The only reason the NHS still "works" is because we have in the infrastructure if we didn't have and tried to make now under current conditions it would not be possible

True unfortunately the people pushing most and who demand it most are not willing to go one step at time

That's kind the fundamental difference between Labour/Conservative Democrat/Republican. Labour/Democrat when everything to be better now, Conservative/Republican realise it takes time.

@Eccles Biggest economy because they have disproportionate amount of wealth people tho

Yeah but they don't need an NHS and the only reason anyone who lives there can't afford it is because it's generally an overpriced place to live.

But yeah they should lead by example

@PureEvilPie Depends what you mean by effective if you mean it treats more people yes, if you mean it save majority of the people it treats than no

But UK Healthcare isn't free

It's payed by taxes

Free at point of service is not free

Okay so the US spend 8.5% of GDP on healthcare, we spend 7.7% of GDP on healthcare.

We spend more we have population a fiveth the population size.

Quick crunch of numbers USA pays way more than UK for government funded healthcare Medicare cost $28k per person approximately for 18% of the population that are beneficiaries.

UK £5303 is spent per person

Can't find definitive figure for cost of private healthcare to crunch the number but demonstrates how unviable healthcare for all is in the US

These are estimates based on GDP spending and population

That's likely not true

What is more likely the case in america is Pharma charge through the nose when they know government is footing the bill

Because the numbers I did are only public as I mentions I can't find the numbers I need with a quick google search to quantify the private sector

> EcclesToday at 09:39
> it has to underwrite healthcare, or you accept your system will kill off the disabled, the vulnerable, and the poor
> are you willing to accept that?
> JesToday at 09:39
> uk already does than lol
Yes and no NHS prioritises based on current ideological morals, so currently foreigners especial POC foreigners get priority, used to be Disabled, Vulnerable, etc. Not so sure anymore.

Isn't NI only usually 4%

and it's included in income tax

I calculated from my pay check admittedly not done it 6 years

When I was on 20% tax band 4% of that was marked as NI

I didn't pay 24%

I payed 20%

and then Student fees

I've never really had a problem with uk tax rates I mean it would be nice for them to be lower but they could be worse

What I don't like is forces companies do they're employee's pensions, it shouldn't be your employer's responsibility it should be yours

I managed to crunch some numbers for private healthcare $7k average is what it cost people in america on private healthcare

Yeah

So depending on exchange rate american are paying less

No

I haven't

I did the uninsured earlier

$28k per person

the $28k is people eligible for medicaid

These are averages

estimates based on 2018 statistics

The website I used had Private Health Insurance, Public Health Insurance, then the Uninsured

I think I did the combined Private/Public for the $7k

Public Health Insurance from what I could see didn't include Medicaid or Medicare

I could only find statistics on Medicare apparent only 18% of the population are eligible so my was done based on eligibility and the report proportion of GDP spent on medicare

which was $28k per person

Caveat for my calculation on the British spend it was GDP spent on NHS and the population of people who didn't have cover.

I could of perhaps used average number of people using the NHS per year to get better estimate and that would put UK costs per person significantly higher no doubt

I don't how deducitbles work to factor them in I'm afraid

I do have side story for this that is anecdotal argument for this, which is an argument against public healthcare and for private.

I was on a tram on my way home from work about 2 years ago, and this obese lady on a mobility scooter got on the tram at first I felt sorry for her, then I overheard her having a conversation with other people on the tram to paraphrase she was like "I have eaten two cakes already today. I have usually have two a day but spread out across the day, I'll probably have two more".

I was just livid as she probably costs the NHS £10k a month

Top reason people go bankrupt lack of money management skills

Yeah exactly

No I like NHS I think it's salvagable but we can't have NHS for all it has NHS for British people

But simultaneously I don't think our NHS or Swedens for that matter cos Americans like to use that as an excuse for healthcare for all, is proof America can have it as well