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2019-09-18 21:44:05 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

"Socialism does not work" - At 2:40 you have Jeremy Corbyn looking exceptionally defeated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5nfracXAt4

2019-09-18 21:45:47 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

And at the beginning on this one you have hysterical clapping by Corbyn because his comrade didn't toast the Queen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryeHIY8uBnQ

2019-09-18 21:47:06 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

The traitorous behaviour was clearly evident even in 2013

2019-09-18 21:47:40 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

This was back when the Oxford Union held half decent debates

Where would be the best place to find a recommended reading list?

2019-09-18 21:59:52 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

"I'm sorry, your legitimate question took longer than my arbitrary schedule could allow for"

2019-09-18 22:01:50 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

We need out of this shit so badly

2019-09-18 22:05:09 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Thank goodness we never took on their currency

2019-09-19 04:47:10 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Eh, the British Empire encompasses two thirds of the world anyway, soon to be more

2019-09-19 04:50:02 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

I assume everybody saw this news about Christine Lagarde? https://www.thejournal.ie/christine-lagarde-ecb-4812851-Sep2019/

2019-09-19 04:50:29 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

She went unopposed in a secret ballot

2019-09-19 04:51:09 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

But I'm sure the former head of the IMF will be beneficial to the EU: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49009226

2019-09-19 04:53:27 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

What's the betting that she's a plant from the IMF to influence the EU decision making progress?

2019-09-19 04:54:15 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

Probably because the EU owes the IMF for bailing out so many of it's members during the 2008 financial fuck-up

2019-09-19 04:54:56 UTC [Athens #eu_politics]  

That's democracy <:thinkcummunism:462305204877131786>

2019-09-20 06:52:50 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

I'm personally glad that potentially the next leader of the Country won't be a Marxist fool, oh wait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvAvNJL-gE

2019-09-20 06:58:04 UTC [Athens #the-long-walls_immigrants]  

Also your @ tag is outrageous, no respawn for you

2019-09-20 07:02:10 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@doctorzalost1 Allegiance to race doesn't make much sense, it's not what makes you who you are. It's your culture, ideology, experiences, etc

2019-09-20 07:02:32 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Genetic diversity is quite important, genetically diverse kids tend to be smart

2019-09-20 07:05:31 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

The sense of who you are strongly comes from your parents, find a wife that is like-minded

2019-09-20 07:06:24 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

You're quite likely to adopt your parent's political leanings, just raise the kid well

2019-09-20 07:07:41 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Also remember that some of the strongest empires in the world bread with the locals and the children of those empires are still alive and well today

2019-09-20 07:08:28 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Ultimately evolution is a genetic algorithm, you need to introduce mutation to diversify your populations

2019-09-20 07:08:50 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Otherwise you get stuck on local maxima

2019-09-20 07:10:13 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I agree that somebody like-minded is more likely to look like you, but don't hard-line yourself on that

2019-09-20 07:10:49 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Also, I'm talking about genetic diversity, I'm not talking about population diversity, that's a whole different kettle of fish

2019-09-20 07:11:33 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

My point is, you're not a "race traitor" for having a partner further afield

2019-09-20 07:12:31 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

It's actually a lack of genetic diversity that might cause the collapse of modern farming

2019-09-20 07:14:13 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Soy beans are usually a mono-crop and are overly grown to meet demand, which means, the end of modern civilisation might be caused by soy boys

2019-09-20 07:14:20 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

That's a harrowing thought

2019-09-20 07:17:25 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I too dislike how white people are treated, but I'm not concerned about ensuring the survival of pure white people

2019-09-20 07:17:55 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

It would be a massive shame for genetic diversity of the human race

2019-09-20 07:18:38 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

But it's our ideology and culture that we need to ensure the survival of

2019-09-20 07:19:14 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I think these progressive leftists will probably die out anyway

2019-09-20 07:19:21 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

They're not having kids

2019-09-20 07:19:43 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I say to any Conservative: "Let them have their abortions"

2019-09-20 07:19:52 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Play the long game

2019-09-20 07:20:18 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Those who value life and family traditions will survive

2019-09-20 07:20:49 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Exactly

2019-09-20 07:20:55 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

They're culling themselves

2019-09-20 07:22:08 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Well, that is the real problem

2019-09-20 07:22:12 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Integration

2019-09-20 07:22:52 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

But the person you end up having children with is likely to share your points of view and therefore isn't the problem, white, black, or anything inbetween

2019-09-20 07:23:26 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Get yourself a decent wife and have a bunch of kids together, work hard and pass on what you've learned

2019-09-20 07:23:52 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Let Darwinism take care of the long game

2019-09-20 07:25:09 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

@Holincxas Know, he ignores that entirely, he speaks from a perspective of ideology and then points the finger at the apparent failings of capitalism

2019-09-20 07:25:27 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

If only the dumb ass had picked up a history book, he might not be such a massive Commie

2019-09-20 07:26:18 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit."

2019-09-20 07:26:32 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Those are words to live by and die by

2019-09-20 07:27:54 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Plant your seeds man

2019-09-20 07:32:06 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Hah did he? That's news to me

2019-09-20 07:34:12 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Not an amazing start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Early_life :

> While still at school, he became active in The Wrekin constituency Young Socialists, his local Labour Party, and the League Against Cruel Sports. He joined the Labour Party at age 16 and achieved two A-Levels, at grade E, the next to lowest-possible passing grade, before leaving school at 18. Corbyn joined the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) in 1966 whilst at school and later became one of its three vice-chairs and subsequently vice-president.

2019-09-20 07:37:01 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Read the paper then

2019-09-20 07:39:06 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

No, I'm saying to not get hung up on it

2019-09-20 07:41:05 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Also, I don't care about the purity of any particular race

2019-09-20 07:41:48 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Sargon is part-something or rather, but still a good example of an Englishman

2019-09-20 07:42:17 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Because of the values he embodies,

2019-09-20 08:07:59 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

That's up to you, but if you decided to be more open, this also isn't so bad either

2019-09-20 08:08:37 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

The most important thing above all is to go out there and ~~gave~~ have some kids

2019-09-20 12:40:14 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Where is the malicious compliance of the malicious communications act when you need it?

2019-09-20 12:40:35 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

Oh yeah, arresting people for dead naming on Twitter

2019-09-21 12:55:05 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> This went on for generations and so will ultimately be responsible for racial differences exhibited between human populations today.

I don't think it was long enough to make any massive changes, past some small changes in appearance related DNA [1], evidenced by the fact we can still inter-breed without issue. Our brains are essentially the same [2]. Assuming there are differences though, as long as somebody from another race exhibits an understanding and agreement of the same cultural and ideological fundamentals, what difference does it make?

> It is completely illogical to simply dismiss the racial differences and the rational self-interest in having allegiance to ones own race, when the prehistoric isolation between human groups have clearly had such an huge impact on the genetic psyche of them.

If these differences are so evident in the brain, please link the Scientific articles. You can find small differences in brain structure of course [3], but show me something that indicates a fundamental difference that is the result of nature rather than nurture, which changes the race's processing of certain information.

My point is, as long as somebody from a different race shares my fundamental beliefs (the beliefs I am am unwilling to compromise on), such as culture and ideology, what difference does it really make? Personally, I value my culture and ideology over the colour of my skin.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo_sapiens
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
[3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964318/

2019-09-21 12:58:30 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

> I would point out that behavior patterns can be inherited, these can be passed on through generations

Citation needed

2019-09-21 12:58:50 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I'm willing to concede if you can prove it

2019-09-21 12:59:27 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

No, humans are quite different

2019-09-21 12:59:45 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Come on, I asked for a citation

2019-09-21 12:59:58 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Surely it's massively researched

2019-09-21 13:00:14 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

So, you're saying you don't have evidence...

2019-09-21 13:00:42 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Animal domestication is much more different from behavioural patterns

2019-09-21 13:02:36 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

These things are extremely complex

2019-09-21 13:02:51 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Domestication is something completely different

2019-09-21 13:03:27 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

There are literally genetic markers in some animals that control aggression (hence floppy ears)

2019-09-21 13:03:51 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Sharing knowledge is a completely different thing again

2019-09-21 13:12:11 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> Unless you've got the genome completely mapped out, you can't say for certain that the differences would only be "some small changes in appearance related DNA". Also, it doesn't make much sense that only appearance would've been affected since there is really only one enviromental factor in prehistoric times leading up to today where appearance might've granted a survival edge, and that would be the relative sunlight exposure (black skin protects better against high sun exposure, white skin allows for more absorption of sunlight in places that have fewer hours of sunlight of the year).

I obviously don't have the human genome mapped out, and of course if I did, I wouldn't have the ability to comprehend it in a meaningful way. But, what I can do is look at how long it took for other features to develop and hypothesise about how long it would take to make significant changes to the brain.

From an evolutionary perspective, all races pretty much faced the same types of hunter/gatherer survival scenarios where they had come down from their trees and began to make tools. There's not much reason for them to have massively changed.

> The fact that we can interbreed "without issue" (disputed claim

2019-09-21 13:12:13 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Disputed by who? I'm talking strictly from a "does a valid baby get made" perspective, not any social issues you may or may not have.

> doesn't prove anything, since humans could interbreed with far more removed variants of hominids, like the fact that white people are a result of hybridization between homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis, while black people have no genetic trace markers from homo neanderthalensis at all.

They were still quite close.

> Neanderthals where further genetically removed from homo sapiens, in pre historic times than white people are today from black people, yet they could still interbreed.

It's because they weren't massively different. If you can still breed with another race/species, then your genetic markers haven't changed too much.

2019-09-21 13:14:49 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@OneTrueGod You quoted ILFS... But anyway, it just sounds like a hormone is affecting growth, in the same way oestrogen does in human babies: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6335/320

2019-09-21 13:16:19 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I think differences in IQ are mostly cultural, it's well known that a) some of these Countries have shitty education and b) different races living within western nations tend to be raised differently within their communities.

2019-09-21 13:18:08 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> I'm not regering to any social issues either. I'm refering to the possibility of various genetic diseases and syndromes that might result from interbreeding between races that do not occur in monoracial breeding.

Again, cite them and I'll concede.

> Don't start strawmanning me, because I haven't done it to you.

I didn't? I said "may or may not", i.e., I don't know your position.

2019-09-21 13:18:43 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@OneTrueGod

> sargon ever come here?

If I were him, I would spend as little time here as possible

2019-09-21 13:20:49 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> If you've got tangible arguments against the study, then I'll hear them. But I won't accept any shooting of messengers based simply on who they are.

My point is, ILFS is a poor source, exactly for this reason. The worms don't appear to be inheriting memories by eating each other. It'll just be a chemical difference. If you ate another person who had high levels of oestrogen in their blood, it would probably flip whether you had a boy or girl in the early stages of pregnancy.

2019-09-21 13:23:26 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> The elephant in the room here is where you believe that culture comes from. You seem to (I stress SEEM) to treat culture as something entirely separate from biology. As if it is something that just springs from the ether, rather than being a phenomenon produced by the thought process of living human brains.

When it comes to modern homo sapiens, I believe culture is entirely separate. Culture comes from your community, culture is inherited socially. Culture literally means "social behaviour" [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

2019-09-21 13:25:11 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> The cannibalism argument was not mine though. I was refering to the inherited memories of hot and cold enviroments and the behviours exhibited in the worms when exposed to them.

It really doesn't matter, behaviours aren't stored in DNA. They're just an emergent property and even then they just seed your behavioural tendencies.

2019-09-21 13:27:27 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies Lobotomy doesn't come from your DNA...

2019-09-21 13:29:39 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies > Yes it does matter, because this research suggest that behaviours might just be stored in DNA. We don't know exactly what DNA governs. The genome is not fully mapped out.

No, you're extrapolating. Worms mostly are governed by a reactive behaviour, meaning that very little intelligence is involved. You're trying to compare this to human behaviours - it just doesn't match up. At least find the same thing done with mice.

2019-09-21 13:32:51 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies

> No but it proves that altering your biology will also alter your social behaviour.

If you kill somebody, that severely affects their social behaviour.

> And DNA most definitely play a part in governing the formation of neural connections in the brain, like controlling the number of neural connections made in the prefrontal cortex and other parts of the brain anatomy.

Yes, which is why brain defects/diseases exist. But I'm yet to see any evidence of difference between the races.

> WHich is why some people are born as geniuses, while others are born hopelessly dumb, even when brought up in virtually identical cultural and nurtritional enviroments.

Nope. It has a lot more to do with luck and happenstance. There is no correlation for example between brain size and success.

2019-09-21 13:33:59 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@OneTrueGod Please link to papers rather than "news" article by TheVerge

2019-09-21 13:34:28 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Which one in particular makes your point?

2019-09-21 13:34:42 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

I haven't got infinite time to read through their shit piece

2019-09-21 13:36:51 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies > The "amount" of intelligence cannot be quantified. You can't say that "very little intelligence is involved" in the worms. Enough intelligence is involved to prove that their actions are behavioural.

No, I can't put an exact number on it. But what I do know is that my brain's ability to solve any problem compared to that of a worm is significantly better, for others I cannot say.

2019-09-21 13:37:32 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Exactly @Jym

2019-09-21 13:40:14 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies Of course it does, part of your behaviour as a human is your predictive capability of the world around you, and that's related to IQ. The better your ability to understand the world around you, the better at making decisions you are, hence a different behaviour. For example, those who are unable to express themselves with clarity often use violence (Antifa).

2019-09-21 13:41:28 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Bringing things back to the point....

2019-09-21 13:41:48 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Prove that there is differences in the brains between races

2019-09-21 13:44:37 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Seven Proxies > I have already done so, by highlighting racial IQ differences

Which part of the brain stops them from understanding and enacting your cultural/ideological beliefs?

2019-09-21 13:44:59 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

@Jym gets it

2019-09-21 13:45:46 UTC [Athens #palaestra_debates]  

Any IQ test you can create is based on a pre-conceived idea of what human IQ is

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