Message from @B[]
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@B[] Yes it does matter, because this research suggest that behaviours might just be stored in DNA. We don't know exactly what DNA governs. The genome is not fully mapped out.
@Seven Proxies Lobotomy doesn't come from your DNA...
@B[] No but it proves that altering your biology will also alter your social behaviour.
@B[] And DNA most definitely play a part in governing the formation of neural connections in the brain, like controlling the number of neural connections made in the prefrontal cortex and other parts of the brain anatomy.
WHich is why some people are born as geniuses, while others are born hopelessly dumb, even when brought up in virtually identical cultural and nurtritional enviroments.
@Seven Proxies > Yes it does matter, because this research suggest that behaviours might just be stored in DNA. We don't know exactly what DNA governs. The genome is not fully mapped out.
No, you're extrapolating. Worms mostly are governed by a reactive behaviour, meaning that very little intelligence is involved. You're trying to compare this to human behaviours - it just doesn't match up. At least find the same thing done with mice.
@B[] The "amount" of intelligence cannot be quantified. You can't say that "very little intelligence is involved" in the worms. Enough intelligence is involved to prove that their actions are behavioural.
@Seven Proxies
> No but it proves that altering your biology will also alter your social behaviour.
If you kill somebody, that severely affects their social behaviour.
> And DNA most definitely play a part in governing the formation of neural connections in the brain, like controlling the number of neural connections made in the prefrontal cortex and other parts of the brain anatomy.
Yes, which is why brain defects/diseases exist. But I'm yet to see any evidence of difference between the races.
> WHich is why some people are born as geniuses, while others are born hopelessly dumb, even when brought up in virtually identical cultural and nurtritional enviroments.
Nope. It has a lot more to do with luck and happenstance. There is no correlation for example between brain size and success.
@OneTrueGod Please link to papers rather than "news" article by TheVerge
studies are links in blue
Which one in particular makes your point?
I haven't got infinite time to read through their shit piece
I am going to go an eat a bagel
Culture cannot be determined by genes it changes too quickly. OK evolutionarily you are talking about hundreds of generations for an adaptive trait with a *very high drive* to become dominant in a local population. Culture can change drastically over the course of a generation or two.
@Seven Proxies > The "amount" of intelligence cannot be quantified. You can't say that "very little intelligence is involved" in the worms. Enough intelligence is involved to prove that their actions are behavioural.
No, I can't put an exact number on it. But what I do know is that my brain's ability to solve any problem compared to that of a worm is significantly better, for others I cannot say.
@B[] Yes but that isn't relevant to the issue. The fact that you can solve more complex logical problems than the worm, doesn't make your BEHAVIOUR inherently different or uncomparable to the behaviour of the worm.
They're both behaviours, influenced by your respective brains, memories etc.
@Seven Proxies Of course it does, part of your behaviour as a human is your predictive capability of the world around you, and that's related to IQ. The better your ability to understand the world around you, the better at making decisions you are, hence a different behaviour. For example, those who are unable to express themselves with clarity often use violence (Antifa).
Behaviors like what? Language? That's a very complex human behavior. And we have genes related directly to it like FOXP2. Would language then be determined genetically? If you raise a Chinese child in Brooklyn do they start speaking Mandarin?
@Jym Exactly. Cultural changes are, based on the available evidence, nothing but symptoms of an intelligent species trying out different strategies in order to survive and dominate their enviroment.
The fact that cultures change rapidly only shows that the species in question is intelligent (meaning: it doesn't bang it's head with a hammer a million times before realizing that it's going to hurt, but settle for doing it two or three times before concluding that enough is enough), it doesn't prove that culture is completely separate from it's biologically determined behaviour.
Prove that there is differences in the brains between races
@B[] IQ tests are not based on predictiv capabilities of the world around you. They are purposefully designed to use abstract patterns of symbols and drawings in order to move the test subjects mind away from expectations and experiences regarding the surrounding world.
I.e the test subject is focused entirely on abstract symbols and drawings which they have never and will never encounter in the world outside
@B[] I have already done so, by highlighting racial IQ differences
OH IQ. Well that we can say quite easily has a high cultural influence. The IQ test is only about a century old. Over that period the mean IQ in populations that were tested the most has changed by more than a standard deviation. So in about 3 generations.
@Seven Proxies > I have already done so, by highlighting racial IQ differences
Which part of the brain stops them from understanding and enacting your cultural/ideological beliefs?
Any IQ test you can create is based on a pre-conceived idea of what human IQ is
@B[] But you could use other examples, like general physiology and racial performance in things like sports. The NBA is not exactly dominated by white people. And the runners in the olympics are almost always africans.
If there can be such significant physiological differences in terms of stature, aerobic and anaerobic ability, it makes little logical sense to argue "but our brains are all exactly the same"
Jym actually studies evolution rather than searching studies for the word 'race' and trying to build a theory using that limited data set...
We're not talking about sports, there are clearly physical differences.
@B[] Unknown at the moment, since the neurobiologists do not fully understand how the entire brain anatomy works
But what you still haven't answered is what brain differences stop a person from a different race from sharing your ideological and cultural identify.
*identity
@B[] Yes we are, because you're presenting a somewhat preposterous argument that you concede that people of different races can have vast genetic differences in terms of physical ability which grants benefits and drawbacks in things like sports. But for some reason you also oppose the idea that such differences might exist within the brains of different races.
Can't you see how illogical this assumption is?
What is it about the human brain, in your view, that makes it so special and "separate" form everything else about the human body and how it develops and how it is influenced by race?
I said earlier there might be small difference, but from an evolutionary perspective, the environment may have been different but the problem solving was essentially the same
Also, the brain is incredibly hard to evolve, a bunch of your neurons are hyper-specialised, they can't just be swapped out so easily
And I say, you can't quantify the difference. I can't either. I'll be honest about that.
Even your concept of 'race' is wrong here. The fastest runners are not 'African' they come from a specific small region of East Africa.