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2019-08-27 15:06:39 UTC

Reminder, I was ridiculed for stating this obvious fact last week in General

2019-08-27 15:06:55 UTC

They pulled the "Muh Russia bad!" card

2019-08-27 15:07:01 UTC

well fucking damnit cannot all you niggers stop bumming each other geo politically for 5 seconds

2019-08-27 15:07:32 UTC

I told ya

2019-08-27 15:07:41 UTC

From the Polish perspective

2019-08-27 15:07:52 UTC

there is no possible modus vivendi with Russia

2019-08-27 15:08:36 UTC

unless Russia is weak

2019-08-27 15:08:38 UTC


2019-08-27 15:08:50 UTC

but that makes Russia incomfortable

2019-08-27 15:09:00 UTC

and we get to where we started

2019-08-27 15:09:59 UTC

Jesus and i thought solving problems with china is bad enough

2019-08-27 15:11:28 UTC

Polish policy since 1918 has been: break Russia apart

2019-08-27 15:11:42 UTC

ofc that stopped being possible under Communism

2019-08-27 15:12:04 UTC

but the (non Gommie) elite has never changed course

2019-08-27 15:12:13 UTC

well maybe if Russia was still a monarchy this won't have happened

2019-08-27 15:12:34 UTC

it's not due to their ideology

2019-08-27 15:12:40 UTC

it's due to geography

2019-08-27 15:13:25 UTC


2019-08-27 15:13:34 UTC

There is no room in this world for a Commonwealth and a Russian Empire

2019-08-27 15:14:27 UTC

And that's what Poland is, at least as far as the old elite is concerned and as far as tradition and best geopolitical practice dictate

2019-08-27 15:15:30 UTC

well can't Russia give up on a empire and return to monarchy

2019-08-27 15:17:33 UTC

it's not about the gov system

2019-08-27 15:17:35 UTC

as I said

2019-08-27 15:17:53 UTC

the issue is the gap between the Daugava and the Dnieper

2019-08-27 15:18:00 UTC

it's too close to Moscow

2019-08-27 15:18:31 UTC

well fuck what can you niggers do

2019-08-27 15:18:35 UTC

A strong Poland NEEDS the territory West of that to feel safe

2019-08-27 15:18:53 UTC

Russia cannot feel safe if it does not have that region on lockdown

2019-08-27 15:19:50 UTC

so basically its a endless fucking nightmare

2019-08-27 15:21:00 UTC

Welcome to reality

2019-08-27 15:22:47 UTC

so to describe geo - politics is just a endless fucking nightmare

2019-08-27 15:24:50 UTC

No. It's the roper rules of conflict. And the world is full of scarcity and unequal ppl, thus full of conflict, winners and losers. No one wants to be the loser.

2019-08-27 15:25:29 UTC

existence is just a fucking nightmare

2019-08-27 15:25:30 UTC

Poland's problem with Russia is that Russia has been a particularly bad overlord for the past 200 years or so.

2019-08-27 15:25:49 UTC

And Poland remembers when the roles were reversed.

2019-08-27 15:26:50 UTC

Our nobility tends to refuse to call them Russia ffs

2019-08-27 15:27:17 UTC

because it gives their claim to being the rightful overlords of all of the Russ' credence

2019-08-27 15:27:42 UTC

To this day Polish elites tend to call the country 'Muscovy'

2019-08-27 15:44:33 UTC

so its just a fucking shit show

2019-08-27 15:58:44 UTC

@tea_in_space They don't give them money - hence , NGO'S, so the over spending is from something else which is described by the power plants.

2019-08-27 15:59:07 UTC

wait what are you talking about

2019-08-27 15:59:27 UTC

The French situation.

2019-08-27 16:01:14 UTC

oh right

2019-08-27 16:10:52 UTC

It's predicted because they are in deficit. It means when they use NGO'S , they are going to deport. They can't afford it.

2019-08-27 16:13:49 UTC

look it will be better in the long term because if they continue with this shit then the long term costs will be far greater

2019-08-27 16:47:07 UTC

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM I agree with you on the conflict because this is going to be an interesting next few months, showing signs that the European Union is fake. There is no need for their existence.

2019-08-27 16:47:46 UTC

I can't wait for Brexiteers to complain when the EU refuses to make a deal in the future because the UK refused to pay the money it owes.

2019-08-27 17:41:08 UTC

I don't think you get it. They'll find a way through tariffs to ensure they get the money.

2019-08-27 17:41:58 UTC

The only way that an agreement will be signed is if the UK pays the money.

2019-08-27 17:42:02 UTC

How do you not understand this?

2019-08-27 17:48:43 UTC

Why would they owe anything? They're leaving. If the EU wanted a deal it was on them to set agreeable terms. Not that petty false colony bullshit

2019-08-27 17:49:35 UTC

Agreements and obligations made while in the Union still stand

2019-08-27 17:49:42 UTC

IE, paying off the remainder of debts for example

2019-08-27 17:50:26 UTC

We already agreed through the Vienna convention that we would pay them

2019-08-27 17:50:32 UTC

We would be breaking treaty if we did not.

2019-08-27 17:50:45 UTC

You don't seem to understand the idea of a one sided agreement. The EU decided that the UK owed money, the UK never agreed to pay the money. Just because the EU demands it doesn't make it an agreement

2019-08-27 17:51:00 UTC

But we did.

2019-08-27 17:51:05 UTC

Through signing the Vienna convention.

2019-08-27 17:52:46 UTC

Doesn't cover what they were demanding, what debts does the second largest CONTRIBUTER have in the EU? The UK has a net loss from the deal. If there are any debts it's what the EU owes the UK

2019-08-27 17:53:17 UTC

We signed up for the EU's budget framework when we became a member. We agreed to pay a percentage of that YEARLY budget.

2019-08-27 17:53:24 UTC

This is something we signed into law.

2019-08-27 17:53:54 UTC

A percentage of an arbitrary budget that they inflated just to screw brexit

2019-08-27 17:54:23 UTC

A budget which is agreed upon and signed by the EU parliament and then by us, the member state.

2019-08-27 17:54:30 UTC

This is a budget which has already been agreed upon.

2019-08-27 17:54:37 UTC

And we allowed.

2019-08-27 17:54:42 UTC

Else, we would have veto'd it

2019-08-27 17:55:15 UTC

The budget they are demanding be paid on was decided after brexit was voted on

2019-08-27 17:55:35 UTC

There's the 2016 budget for one.

2019-08-27 17:55:44 UTC

Which we agreed upon before the referendum

2019-08-27 17:56:15 UTC

We're still paying into the EU budget now.

2019-08-27 17:56:29 UTC

*Or should be at least*

2019-08-27 17:56:53 UTC

Only till the end of October

2019-08-27 17:56:56 UTC

The budget is just ONE point

2019-08-27 17:56:58 UTC

If you are

2019-08-27 17:57:00 UTC

In which we will have to pay

2019-08-27 17:57:09 UTC

We have other obligations in the EU

2019-08-27 17:58:40 UTC

There's no enforceable obligations to an undemocratic union, the worst they can do is take it out on the countries still in. They literally can't hurt the UK once they leave.

2019-08-27 17:58:56 UTC

"undemocratic union"

2019-08-27 17:58:58 UTC

We vote in it.

2019-08-27 17:59:00 UTC

We voted to join.

2019-08-27 17:59:03 UTC

We voted to leave.

2019-08-27 17:59:06 UTC

We have influence in it.

2019-08-27 17:59:08 UTC

You vote on parliament

2019-08-27 17:59:15 UTC

So you can fuck off with that leaver BS.

2019-08-27 17:59:18 UTC

Who has no actual power

2019-08-27 17:59:22 UTC


2019-08-27 17:59:24 UTC

"They literally can't hurt the UK once they leave."

2019-08-27 17:59:26 UTC

Yes, they can.

2019-08-27 17:59:29 UTC


2019-08-27 17:59:36 UTC

AND, we can hurt ourselves in the process

2019-08-27 17:59:40 UTC


2019-08-27 17:59:44 UTC

Tariffs on our goods

2019-08-27 17:59:48 UTC

Increased restrictions

2019-08-27 17:59:59 UTC

Sell elsewhere, buy elsewhere

2019-08-27 18:00:03 UTC

Making operating between the two entities more expensive and costly.

2019-08-27 18:00:06 UTC

Not always that simple

2019-08-27 18:00:22 UTC

Over 100 countries not in the EU waiting for a chance to deal with the UK

2019-08-27 18:00:23 UTC

If we don't pay the divorce bill, we will be hurting ourselves

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