Reminder, I was ridiculed for stating this obvious fact last week in General

They pulled the "Muh Russia bad!" card

well fucking damnit cannot all you niggers stop bumming each other geo politically for 5 seconds

I told ya

From the Polish perspective

there is no possible modus vivendi with Russia

unless Russia is weak

ofc

but that makes Russia incomfortable

and we get to where we started

Jesus and i thought solving problems with china is bad enough

Polish policy since 1918 has been: break Russia apart

ofc that stopped being possible under Communism

but the (non Gommie) elite has never changed course

well maybe if Russia was still a monarchy this won't have happened

it's not due to their ideology

it's due to geography

Fuck

There is no room in this world for a Commonwealth and a Russian Empire

And that's what Poland is, at least as far as the old elite is concerned and as far as tradition and best geopolitical practice dictate

well can't Russia give up on a empire and return to monarchy

it's not about the gov system

as I said

the issue is the gap between the Daugava and the Dnieper

it's too close to Moscow

well fuck what can you niggers do

A strong Poland NEEDS the territory West of that to feel safe

Russia cannot feel safe if it does not have that region on lockdown

so basically its a endless fucking nightmare

Welcome to reality

so to describe geo - politics is just a endless fucking nightmare

No. It's the roper rules of conflict. And the world is full of scarcity and unequal ppl, thus full of conflict, winners and losers. No one wants to be the loser.

existence is just a fucking nightmare

Poland's problem with Russia is that Russia has been a particularly bad overlord for the past 200 years or so.

And Poland remembers when the roles were reversed.

Our nobility tends to refuse to call them Russia ffs

because it gives their claim to being the rightful overlords of all of the Russ' credence

To this day Polish elites tend to call the country 'Muscovy'

so its just a fucking shit show

@tea_in_space They don't give them money - hence , NGO'S, so the over spending is from something else which is described by the power plants.

wait what are you talking about

The French situation.

oh right

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trade-war-recession-crisis-2020-by-nouriel-roubini-2019-06/french

It's predicted because they are in deficit. It means when they use NGO'S , they are going to deport. They can't afford it.

look it will be better in the long term because if they continue with this shit then the long term costs will be far greater

@tea_in_space Oh tea in space, nothing gets passed you. I like, your witty response. As all bets are off and they still are asking for £39 billion from the UK. Meaning , they are up shits creek.

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-bill-boris-johnson-eu-trade-deal-european-commission-a9079111.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fbrexit-no-deal-bill-boris-johnson-eu-trade-deal-european-commission-a9079111.html

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM I agree with you on the conflict because this is going to be an interesting next few months, showing signs that the European Union is fake. There is no need for their existence.

I can't wait for Brexiteers to complain when the EU refuses to make a deal in the future because the UK refused to pay the money it owes.

I don't think you get it. They'll find a way through tariffs to ensure they get the money.

The only way that an agreement will be signed is if the UK pays the money.

How do you not understand this?

Why would they owe anything? They're leaving. If the EU wanted a deal it was on them to set agreeable terms. Not that petty false colony bullshit

Agreements and obligations made while in the Union still stand

IE, paying off the remainder of debts for example

We already agreed through the Vienna convention that we would pay them

We would be breaking treaty if we did not.

You don't seem to understand the idea of a one sided agreement. The EU decided that the UK owed money, the UK never agreed to pay the money. Just because the EU demands it doesn't make it an agreement

But we did.

Through signing the Vienna convention.

Doesn't cover what they were demanding, what debts does the second largest CONTRIBUTER have in the EU? The UK has a net loss from the deal. If there are any debts it's what the EU owes the UK

We signed up for the EU's budget framework when we became a member. We agreed to pay a percentage of that YEARLY budget.

This is something we signed into law.

A percentage of an arbitrary budget that they inflated just to screw brexit

A budget which is agreed upon and signed by the EU parliament and then by us, the member state.

This is a budget which has already been agreed upon.

And we allowed.

Else, we would have veto'd it

The budget they are demanding be paid on was decided after brexit was voted on

There's the 2016 budget for one.

Which we agreed upon before the referendum

We're still paying into the EU budget now.

*Or should be at least*

Only till the end of October

The budget is just ONE point

If you are

In which we will have to pay

We have other obligations in the EU

There's no enforceable obligations to an undemocratic union, the worst they can do is take it out on the countries still in. They literally can't hurt the UK once they leave.

"undemocratic union"

We vote in it.

We voted to join.

We voted to leave.

We have influence in it.

You vote on parliament

So you can fuck off with that leaver BS.

Who has no actual power

False.

"They literally can't hurt the UK once they leave."

Yes, they can.

How

AND, we can hurt ourselves in the process

How

Tariffs on our goods

Increased restrictions

Sell elsewhere, buy elsewhere

Making operating between the two entities more expensive and costly.

Not always that simple

Over 100 countries not in the EU waiting for a chance to deal with the UK

If we don't pay the divorce bill, we will be hurting ourselves