swampy_maroon

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Its authorative because they all were knoweledagble and debated like crazy about the passages

and looked at the scriputres in context and in reference to other parts of scripture

Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all

Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not

Yes

Along with the books of James man

Faith without works is dead

James 2:14-17

Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition

It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot

But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work

โ€œby grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boastโ€ (Eph 2:8-9)

Ephesians bro

Protestants broke away form the catholic church because they though that papacy was silly and too political and whatnot.. plus indulgences was like the biggest scam ever

They went back to basics

Went back to scripture, instead of just relying on Priests saying that we need to attend mass and participate in the eurcharist to achieve salvation

But Jesus is our High Priest, as you would know, from Hebrews

Basics, as in Sola Scriptura

instead of Scripture, plus what the popes had to say plus like gazillion different saints and authors who had stuff to say

Plus your local priest

But you have to remeber, a lot of this had to do with the free spread of information.. due to the printing press. It wasn't just some priest reading form a gold leaf handwritten bible written in Latin, being read and interepreated to a crowd of mostly uneducated peasants (literally)

That in turn sparked with lutther and his theses.. giving the pope the finger

Protestant theologians drove the quest to go back to the original greek and hebrew manuscirpts and have bibles in languages that people could speak and read man

They were sick of the Latin Vulgate and the forbidding of any bible not in latin

I agree with all of that man

You haven't said anything that the protestants disagree with

no

He gave the finger to the claim that the pope stands for christ on this earth

ie. the literal 'vicar of christ'

He is a man

And the popes decrees are not infallible

And then you get the logical inconsistancy of one pope saying something supposedly infallible

and then another pope saying something different

And then you have popes that we full on perverts and drunks

And others who lusted after power and greed

And then others who were controlled by whoever was controlling Italy at the time

along witht he holy roman empire

yeah, anyway

We both don't like the pope

This is the thing man

yeah, that

In scripture itself, Paul writes warning the early church of false teachers

The thing is, there has always and will always be those people

The impetus and responsibltiy is upon members of the church and church leaders to call those people out for what they are

hacks and fakes

out to scam people's money

or simply lead them away from the truth

Not if you have Church elders who are switched on

And the church leaders/pastor has a doctrinal statement

Which pretty much every church has

im not talking about crappy churches though

Like massive mega churches that are more like music concerts

And a hip vibe

And appealing to christian consumerism.. of coffee mug feel good crap

That is a problem I see man

I think it sucks

Tradition is actually pretty awesome in a lot of ways

But it went back to a simpler sort of worship

Plain churches and whatnot

Anyways, good convo bro

You want plain though

Look at Puritan churches

They were on a whole other level

Like literally a hall

With no pictures

a single cross

and a pulpit

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