swampy_maroon
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Its authorative because they all were knoweledagble and debated like crazy about the passages
and looked at the scriputres in context and in reference to other parts of scripture
Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all
Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not
Yes
Along with the books of James man
Faith without works is dead
James 2:14-17
Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition
It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot
But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work
โby grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boastโ (Eph 2:8-9)
Ephesians bro
Protestants broke away form the catholic church because they though that papacy was silly and too political and whatnot.. plus indulgences was like the biggest scam ever
They went back to basics
Went back to scripture, instead of just relying on Priests saying that we need to attend mass and participate in the eurcharist to achieve salvation
But Jesus is our High Priest, as you would know, from Hebrews
Basics, as in Sola Scriptura
instead of Scripture, plus what the popes had to say plus like gazillion different saints and authors who had stuff to say
Plus your local priest
But you have to remeber, a lot of this had to do with the free spread of information.. due to the printing press. It wasn't just some priest reading form a gold leaf handwritten bible written in Latin, being read and interepreated to a crowd of mostly uneducated peasants (literally)
That in turn sparked with lutther and his theses.. giving the pope the finger
Protestant theologians drove the quest to go back to the original greek and hebrew manuscirpts and have bibles in languages that people could speak and read man
They were sick of the Latin Vulgate and the forbidding of any bible not in latin
I agree with all of that man
You haven't said anything that the protestants disagree with
no
He gave the finger to the claim that the pope stands for christ on this earth
ie. the literal 'vicar of christ'
He is a man
And the popes decrees are not infallible
And then you get the logical inconsistancy of one pope saying something supposedly infallible
and then another pope saying something different
And then you have popes that we full on perverts and drunks
And others who lusted after power and greed
And then others who were controlled by whoever was controlling Italy at the time
along witht he holy roman empire
yeah, anyway
We both don't like the pope
This is the thing man
yeah, that
In scripture itself, Paul writes warning the early church of false teachers
The thing is, there has always and will always be those people
The impetus and responsibltiy is upon members of the church and church leaders to call those people out for what they are
hacks and fakes
out to scam people's money
or simply lead them away from the truth
Not if you have Church elders who are switched on
And the church leaders/pastor has a doctrinal statement
Which pretty much every church has
im not talking about crappy churches though
Like massive mega churches that are more like music concerts
And a hip vibe
And appealing to christian consumerism.. of coffee mug feel good crap
That is a problem I see man
I think it sucks
Tradition is actually pretty awesome in a lot of ways
But it went back to a simpler sort of worship
Plain churches and whatnot
Anyways, good convo bro
You want plain though
Look at Puritan churches
They were on a whole other level
Like literally a hall
With no pictures
a single cross
and a pulpit
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