Message from @swampy_maroon
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yes, so they deserve to determine what is heretical or not
Protestant churches haven't really decided much on primary matters man. Not much of the very central primary stuff has change, if at all
Protestant churches differ on secondary matters that don't determine whether someone is saved or not
They didn't declare sola fide as infallible truth, because they read the Book of John and declared that faith without works is dead
Yes
Yes, the primary stuff *has* changed
such as how to get to heaven
Along with the books of James man
Faith without works is dead
James 2:14-17
Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition
It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot
But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work
Consider the fact that the protestants broke away from the catholics who broke away from the Orthodox by rejecting an Eccumenial Council, it's only logical to determine that the Orthodox are the original branch
Also, it's completely possible to have faith while not doing works
“by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9)
I forgot what's Eph
Ephesians bro
Protestants broke away form the catholic church because they though that papacy was silly and too political and whatnot.. plus indulgences was like the biggest scam ever
They went back to basics
the bare basics which isn't enough
Went back to scripture, instead of just relying on Priests saying that we need to attend mass and participate in the eurcharist to achieve salvation
But Jesus is our High Priest, as you would know, from Hebrews
Basics, as in Sola Scriptura
Actually, let me tell you how 2:8-10 should be interperated
instead of Scripture, plus what the popes had to say plus like gazillion different saints and authors who had stuff to say
Plus your local priest
But you have to remeber, a lot of this had to do with the free spread of information.. due to the printing press. It wasn't just some priest reading form a gold leaf handwritten bible written in Latin, being read and interepreated to a crowd of mostly uneducated peasants (literally)
That in turn sparked with lutther and his theses.. giving the pope the finger
Protestant theologians drove the quest to go back to the original greek and hebrew manuscirpts and have bibles in languages that people could speak and read man
They were sick of the Latin Vulgate and the forbidding of any bible not in latin
''How can one get to the one kingdom to the other (vv1-7)? By the unity of grace, faith and works (v.9). Not that these are equal, for grace is uncreated and infinite, whereas our faith is limited and can grow; good works good works flow out of authentic faith. Works cannot earn us this great treasure-it is a pure gift-but those who recieve this gift do good. We are not saved *by* good works but for good works''
Actually Sola Scriptura is exactly that, clumsy misinterperation
I agree with all of that man
Papal infallibility was the replacement of Eccumenial Councils
You haven't said anything that the protestants disagree with
Except that Eccumenial Councils determine what is heresy or not
By ''giving the finger'' to infallibility you open the path to relativism
no
You may agree with what I said
btu what about someone else?
He gave the finger to the claim that the pope stands for christ on this earth