Faith without works is dead

James 2:14-17

Faith is there, but for me at least and the reformed tradition

It is on God to plant that seed of faith, as god draws those whom he has elected to salvation purely out of his grace and goodness, not because we deserve it and whatnot

But once that faith is there, we should be doing those works anyway, as a showing of the fruth of the spirit at work

Consider the fact that the protestants broke away from the catholics who broke away from the Orthodox by rejecting an Eccumenial Council, it's only logical to determine that the Orthodox are the original branch
Also, it's completely possible to have faith while not doing works

“by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9)

I forgot what's Eph

Ephesians bro

Protestants broke away form the catholic church because they though that papacy was silly and too political and whatnot.. plus indulgences was like the biggest scam ever

They went back to basics

the bare basics which isn't enough

Went back to scripture, instead of just relying on Priests saying that we need to attend mass and participate in the eurcharist to achieve salvation

But Jesus is our High Priest, as you would know, from Hebrews

Basics, as in Sola Scriptura

Actually, let me tell you how 2:8-10 should be interperated

instead of Scripture, plus what the popes had to say plus like gazillion different saints and authors who had stuff to say

Plus your local priest

But you have to remeber, a lot of this had to do with the free spread of information.. due to the printing press. It wasn't just some priest reading form a gold leaf handwritten bible written in Latin, being read and interepreated to a crowd of mostly uneducated peasants (literally)

That in turn sparked with lutther and his theses.. giving the pope the finger

Protestant theologians drove the quest to go back to the original greek and hebrew manuscirpts and have bibles in languages that people could speak and read man

They were sick of the Latin Vulgate and the forbidding of any bible not in latin

''How can one get to the one kingdom to the other (vv1-7)? By the unity of grace, faith and works (v.9). Not that these are equal, for grace is uncreated and infinite, whereas our faith is limited and can grow; good works good works flow out of authentic faith. Works cannot earn us this great treasure-it is a pure gift-but those who recieve this gift do good. We are not saved *by* good works but for good works''

Actually Sola Scriptura is exactly that, clumsy misinterperation

I agree with all of that man

Papal infallibility was the replacement of Eccumenial Councils

You haven't said anything that the protestants disagree with

Except that Eccumenial Councils determine what is heresy or not

By ''giving the finger'' to infallibility you open the path to relativism

no

You may agree with what I said

btu what about someone else?

He gave the finger to the claim that the pope stands for christ on this earth

ie. the literal 'vicar of christ'

He is a man

And the popes decrees are not infallible

And then you get the logical inconsistancy of one pope saying something supposedly infallible

and then another pope saying something different

I agree on papal infallibility being wrong

And then you have popes that we full on perverts and drunks

but the thing is you're trading what is a tool to stamp out heresy with the chance for heresies to grow