It's such a disappointment how they ruined Wolfenstein

Even during the conference, they kept on about that nonsense, saying something like "... our goal to bring the message of hating Nazis to every platform" or some cringy thing like that

Ikr

They're just trying to ruin every good series, aren't they? Wolfenstein, now this

How is that anything to do with morals, though?

Like what Ragnarok inferred, risk isn't morals

By your logic, Ehzek, if someone committed mass murder, but through it became *successful*, does that mean they're in the right? That they're "morally" fine?

I don't believe you have answered me yet, Ehzek. So I will repeat myself: by your logic, if someone committed mass murder and through it became successful, does that mean that they have done no moral negative and are in fact in the right?

There is benefit, that hypothetical person became successful through it.

You cannot ignore that detail.

So, mass slaughter if they mean well, is moral?

You said "if their goal was to help China and Germany then it was moral", thus you are inferring--unless you are not, in which case you should clarify--that mass slaughter with well intentions is completely fine and moral

How do you *not* see the flaw in that?

There is flaw, you are suggesting that mass slaughter of innocents is moral.

It doesn't matter under what context, under what corruption of logic you try to argue, mass slaughter of innocents is Wrong. It is Evil. To say it is not, is absolutely morally bankrupt and heinous.

Then shouldn't forced immigration be morally right to you? After all, moving them to a better country benefits them. The people who advocate for that are (at least some) doing it with what they believe to be good intentions. So where is the issue?

they learned from more countries than France

That's pretty intellectually dishonest, when all of those examples have staggeringly different death counts @AurinkoVuohi

Some far more than the others, though

Loli literally just means little girl, nothing more, what the hell are you on about @Little Boots ?

no, they prohibit loli*con*

don't conflate the two, or you make yourself look dumb

Loli = little girl

lolicon = sexualization of little girls, or someone into little girls (aka a pedophile)

yea it doesn't, unless you're saying "little girl" leads to "pedophilia"

because that is literally what you are saying, loli is literally the word for little girl, just like shota/shouta is the word for little boy in Japanese

fam I don't think you have any comprehension of what loli means, despite me clearly explaining

you treat loli as if it is some dirty word with extra connotations, it isn't, it is literally just the Japanese word for "little girl"

having a little girl character, aka having a loli character, means nothing--there is no direct connection to lolicon, lolicons would be people who lust after little girls, or the pornography/sexualization of said little girls

lolicons are a stark STARK minority of people

actually, Japan's age of consent for some areas can go further than 16 I believe

yes, you are correct there

which is why it is an irrelevant arguement

there is a difference though, because it is a minority of anime fans who are lolicons, whereas furries is *all* about being animals and other weird degenerate stuff, and there is a LARGE sexual scene

and even if you compare both's sexual scenes, if you think jacking off to hentai is comparable to banging people in fur suits then you are objectively wrong

no because I'm not a degenerate

cool?

only makes furfags weirder, that they want to wear something freaky and uncomfortable

I'll leave disproving that to someone else, I'd rather not want to kill myself

and now I want to kill myself

there is also the un-arguably large ERP scene with furries

which is pretty ultra degenerate

not near as much though

idk about others but I'mnot even defending lolicons, lolicons need the rope

which are a minority

also (((anime)))

hentai, I'm confident you mean

to be fair, reverse birthing and vore is present in some of the most degenerate hentai

hentai is pornography

that is true, little boots, but not all hentai is mega-degeneracy

that's the niche stuff, and almost always hentai manga rather than actual anime

because Japanese companies aren't insane enough to animate that trash lol

there is degeneracy amongst anime fans, I don't disagree there, but they are a niche minority, even if they can sometimes be loud

but at its core, anime is just

animation from Japan

furries are inherently degenerate, they are not a corruption of a benign base

they're the most vocal because

that is true for EVERYTHING

every group, the crazies screech the loudest

because, the two bases are on different levels

anime is Japanese animation, furries is weird anthropomorphic nonsense of animals and it is very unsettling and disturbing looking most of the time

I'm not talking about how mainstream something is

I'm talking about how degenerate it is

I don't see how the non-west would put out furries so

both have disturbing things in the back, yes, but furries are disturbing in the front too

anime is not

mainstream anime is stuff like dragon ball z and other stuff, which is not degenerate at all

well, not illegal in some places

both pedophiles and people into bestiality need the rope

you can't really compare furry and anime's beginnings, even if you narrow it down to the west

furry was and is small

anime, even before being really introduced to the west, was growing large in Japan

if you're talking about anime you are talking about Japan too

anime is not made for the West

the west just adopts it

no anime company makes anime for anything but Japan itself, if it is popular in the west that is just a bonus to them

anime has been a big thing in Japan for a long while, long before 2000s--unless you are referring to 2000s as when it really boomed in the west, in which case carry on I can't comment on that

no, that's not correct

yea but it was still big

look at Evangelion, for example, it was and *is* huge in Japan, and that is before 2000

yes, it got a boost, but it was still sizable

before said boost

idk about that, Ehzek, Japanese people even now aren't as keen on the Internet and personal computers as the west, I don't think the internet is a (big) reason for Japan's increase in interest in anime

yea but that is also because anime got a late start

it is exponentially increasing yes

no the late start is because it took until friggin' WW2-times imperial Japan to start making anime

and then it took until after the japs got rekt by America to start making "modern" anime

not really

it's not irrelevant, at least

not when you are talking about

the early, beginnings of the two groups

also a reason that anime is large and furry...dom(?) isn't is because furries are a small offshoot, an inherently niche group

anime had an entire *country* to back it up

and a productive country at that

what with their crazy work-centricness

as Ehzek just said, anime is not a fandom

anime is an entire country's form of entertainment, it is an extension of Japan's culture

furries are just a weird group of people who like anthros