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I enjoyed this, for some reason

2018-07-22 08:25:29 UTC

<:trumped:440551399772913674> <:covfefe:440543908846632980>

2018-07-22 13:45:49 UTC

Wtf is that shirt

2018-07-22 13:46:04 UTC

xD

2018-07-22 13:47:37 UTC

Can it be "I jack off to burnie and socialism/cummunism and prolly touch myself at night shirt"

2018-07-22 18:57:16 UTC

oooooo!!!! *Freevalve*....

2018-07-22 18:59:07 UTC

I'm just waiting for freevalve to finally come to more mainstream cars

2018-07-22 18:59:20 UTC

Koenigsegg says theyre trying to do that.

2018-07-22 19:04:07 UTC

That Chinese company Qoros is doing it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qoros

eat shit civic ricers

we don't need tuning

2018-07-22 20:33:28 UTC

Yeah, I mean, electronics are definitely responsible for making cars more reliable

2018-07-22 20:33:38 UTC

I totally want electronic systems controlling valves

2018-07-22 20:33:42 UTC

what could go wrong?

2018-07-22 20:37:03 UTC

It's no different than your fuel injection being controlled by a Hall Effect sensor on the crank.

2018-07-22 20:40:54 UTC

I don't think faulty fuel injection or crank sensors can wreck your engine

2018-07-22 20:43:47 UTC

It's still mechanically connected, I believe. It's just the individual cylinders can be adjusted. The most that would happen in a failure is some pinging in a cylinder, which would throw a code and put you into limp mode.

2018-07-22 20:44:20 UTC

Plus while it is electronically cintrolled, its not electric motors or some shit

2018-07-22 20:44:24 UTC

Pneumatics

2018-07-22 20:44:47 UTC

Think of it like being able to adjust the spring rate of your rockers

2018-07-22 20:45:42 UTC

Your computer would have to be either pretty slow or pretty stupid for faulty freevalve to ruin the engine

2018-07-22 20:45:49 UTC

if it fails and a valve is in the wrong position when the cylinder returns and it has no signal to adjust, the valve will stay in place and it's basically like what happens if a cam belt or chain stretches/snaps, your shit would be fucked

2018-07-22 20:46:11 UTC

I don't think that's how it works

2018-07-22 20:46:39 UTC

Besides, dont most modern engines die when that hapoens for that reasin?

2018-07-22 20:46:42 UTC

the peak reliability of cars seems to have been 80s and 90s depending on manufacturer, electronics since have made cars less reliable, though there's some question whether the increased requirements in efficiency have also contributed to the lower reliability

2018-07-22 20:46:43 UTC

Reason

2018-07-22 20:47:07 UTC

It's still a non-interference engine like any other, but instead of ALL the cylinders being adjusted with VV-T, it's individual cylinders

2018-07-22 20:47:13 UTC

The increased emissions requirements is most of it, i would say.

2018-07-22 20:47:42 UTC

I doubt the freevalve engine is non interference

2018-07-22 20:47:44 UTC

Considering yiu still have shit like, fir example, the million mile toyota tundra, cars are at worst just as reliable.

2018-07-22 20:47:48 UTC

Depending on mfg

2018-07-22 20:47:58 UTC

very few modern engines are able to be non interference because of efficiency requirements

2018-07-22 20:48:02 UTC

I wouldnt call a modern fca car more reliable...

2018-07-22 20:48:32 UTC

I'm not sure if any regular cars on sale are non interference actually

2018-07-22 20:48:39 UTC

Well, it seems the conversation won't be fruitful and is just some more competitive pissing, so w/e

2018-07-22 20:48:48 UTC

^

2018-07-22 20:49:24 UTC

Most arguments about reliablity become that, really

2018-07-22 20:49:51 UTC

There isnt a whole lot of hard data on car reliability. Best you have is iffy af surveys

2018-07-22 20:50:09 UTC

well that's because reliability can often be highly subjective

2018-07-22 20:50:23 UTC

owners and how they treat their vehicles contribute to failure rates

2018-07-22 20:50:31 UTC

and it's very hard to adequately monitor that

2018-07-22 20:51:11 UTC

but in general, the old hilux, a bunch of 80s and early 90s benzes, late 90s jap N/A 4cyls are all ridiculously reliable

2018-07-22 20:51:25 UTC

like, terrifyingly so

2018-07-22 20:51:34 UTC

but there's also basically nothing to actually go wrong on them

2018-07-22 20:52:22 UTC

And there are engines, newer ones, where this remains the case

2018-07-22 20:52:30 UTC

See the vortec 6

2018-07-22 20:52:32 UTC

the newer vehicles are so loaded down with craptastic bullshit that tons of shit can just die

2018-07-22 20:52:36 UTC

Toyota 4.0

2018-07-22 20:52:38 UTC

Etc

2018-07-22 20:53:05 UTC

Emissions is undoubtedly to blame for much of it

2018-07-22 20:53:16 UTC

Easiest to see with the big truck diesels actually

2018-07-22 20:53:30 UTC

well yes and no, it's also safety, it's also bullshit features nobody really needs

2018-07-22 20:53:32 UTC

Rock solid reliable until 2007. Then instant shit

2018-07-22 20:53:48 UTC

They are only now getting reliable again

2018-07-22 20:54:02 UTC

But that people want

2018-07-22 20:54:09 UTC

Thats the important thing

2018-07-22 20:54:15 UTC

Markets follow demand

2018-07-22 20:54:21 UTC

because they don't realise the cost of the features is reduced reliability

2018-07-22 20:54:32 UTC

information failure on the part of the average consumer

2018-07-22 20:54:41 UTC

Depends on how much they value reliability, too

2018-07-22 20:54:52 UTC

Not all busted things make a car inoperable

2018-07-22 20:55:15 UTC

no, but they may make it unsafe or unsellable

2018-07-22 20:55:20 UTC

But this is turning into another rabbit hole

2018-07-22 20:55:37 UTC

especially with the cost of repairs to dumb stuff like ABS often exceeding the value of the car for ~10 year old vehicles

2018-07-22 20:56:06 UTC

and ABS is literally a feature for retards who don't know how to use their brakes in poor conditions

2018-07-22 20:56:28 UTC

K

2018-07-22 20:57:19 UTC

some years ago I had to break a jag because the ABS failed, with working ABS the car was worth maybe 2k, the replacement unit was something like 800 at the time and the car was worth 1800 in parts

2018-07-22 20:57:53 UTC

so ultimately cars are taken off the road because of bullshit features that people who know how to drive don't need, it's wasteful

2018-07-22 22:28:21 UTC

Best build

2018-07-22 22:28:30 UTC

...wait did i post this already?

2018-07-23 02:55:47 UTC

yeah, I wasn't a fan really but to each their own

2018-07-23 17:31:54 UTC

more suvs just what the world needs...

2018-07-23 17:48:34 UTC

Well it is clearly what the world _wants_

2018-07-23 17:48:45 UTC

VW group makes bank on these things

2018-07-23 17:49:17 UTC

Hell, porsche had their highest profit margins ever just a few years ago because of the Cayenne and Macan

2018-07-23 19:54:15 UTC

sad

2018-07-23 19:54:46 UTC

part of me can't wait for driverless cars so the car industry basically dies

2018-07-23 19:57:07 UTC

with all the bs emissions shit out there I'm surprised they haven't started to fuck suvs over hard

2018-07-23 20:54:27 UTC

Eh.

2018-07-23 20:54:42 UTC

Not getting into that argument

2018-07-23 21:05:11 UTC
2018-07-23 21:38:03 UTC

it's a shame diesels will probably be banned for non commercial vehicles in Europe within 20 years

2018-07-23 22:06:39 UTC

wich is sad, as the new diesel engines are almost in the negative emissions at least on trucks

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