Message from @LordCaledus

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2018-07-22 20:47:44 UTC  

Considering yiu still have shit like, fir example, the million mile toyota tundra, cars are at worst just as reliable.

2018-07-22 20:47:48 UTC  

Depending on mfg

2018-07-22 20:47:58 UTC  

very few modern engines are able to be non interference because of efficiency requirements

2018-07-22 20:48:02 UTC  

I wouldnt call a modern fca car more reliable...

2018-07-22 20:48:32 UTC  

I'm not sure if any regular cars on sale are non interference actually

2018-07-22 20:48:39 UTC  

Well, it seems the conversation won't be fruitful and is just some more competitive pissing, so w/e

2018-07-22 20:48:48 UTC  

^

2018-07-22 20:49:24 UTC  

Most arguments about reliablity become that, really

2018-07-22 20:49:51 UTC  

There isnt a whole lot of hard data on car reliability. Best you have is iffy af surveys

2018-07-22 20:50:09 UTC  

well that's because reliability can often be highly subjective

2018-07-22 20:50:23 UTC  

owners and how they treat their vehicles contribute to failure rates

2018-07-22 20:50:31 UTC  

and it's very hard to adequately monitor that

2018-07-22 20:51:11 UTC  

but in general, the old hilux, a bunch of 80s and early 90s benzes, late 90s jap N/A 4cyls are all ridiculously reliable

2018-07-22 20:51:25 UTC  

like, terrifyingly so

2018-07-22 20:51:34 UTC  

but there's also basically nothing to actually go wrong on them

2018-07-22 20:52:22 UTC  

And there are engines, newer ones, where this remains the case

2018-07-22 20:52:30 UTC  

See the vortec 6

2018-07-22 20:52:32 UTC  

the newer vehicles are so loaded down with craptastic bullshit that tons of shit can just die

2018-07-22 20:52:36 UTC  

Toyota 4.0

2018-07-22 20:52:38 UTC  

Etc

2018-07-22 20:53:05 UTC  

Emissions is undoubtedly to blame for much of it

2018-07-22 20:53:16 UTC  

Easiest to see with the big truck diesels actually

2018-07-22 20:53:30 UTC  

well yes and no, it's also safety, it's also bullshit features nobody really needs

2018-07-22 20:53:32 UTC  

Rock solid reliable until 2007. Then instant shit

2018-07-22 20:53:48 UTC  

They are only now getting reliable again

2018-07-22 20:54:02 UTC  

But that people want

2018-07-22 20:54:09 UTC  

Thats the important thing

2018-07-22 20:54:15 UTC  

Markets follow demand

2018-07-22 20:54:21 UTC  

because they don't realise the cost of the features is reduced reliability

2018-07-22 20:54:32 UTC  

information failure on the part of the average consumer

2018-07-22 20:54:41 UTC  

Depends on how much they value reliability, too

2018-07-22 20:54:52 UTC  

Not all busted things make a car inoperable

2018-07-22 20:55:15 UTC  

no, but they may make it unsafe or unsellable

2018-07-22 20:55:20 UTC  

But this is turning into another rabbit hole

2018-07-22 20:55:37 UTC  

especially with the cost of repairs to dumb stuff like ABS often exceeding the value of the car for ~10 year old vehicles

2018-07-22 20:56:06 UTC  

and ABS is literally a feature for retards who don't know how to use their brakes in poor conditions

2018-07-22 20:56:28 UTC  

K

2018-07-22 20:57:19 UTC  

some years ago I had to break a jag because the ABS failed, with working ABS the car was worth maybe 2k, the replacement unit was something like 800 at the time and the car was worth 1800 in parts

2018-07-22 20:57:53 UTC  

so ultimately cars are taken off the road because of bullshit features that people who know how to drive don't need, it's wasteful

2018-07-22 22:28:21 UTC  

Best build