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2017-11-28 15:05:51 UTC

Seems to strike on a few of the points I was talking about earlier today

2017-11-28 15:06:49 UTC

Choice quote:

Here is what Google actually does. Google (and other large enterprises that deliver content to end users โ€“ think Netflix, Facebook) maintains its own global network infrastructure, and peers directly with ISPs at internet exchange points. Google explains this in more detail on their own website.

Google is connected to the New York International Exchange (NYIIX) and the London Internet Exchange (LINX). If you go to the websites of either one of these internet exchange points (New York, London) you can see their full list of members.

What does this mean?

This means that Google is not a customer of an ISP. Google simply connects to these internet exchange points, and here it peers with service providers.

This way, Google has far more control over how its content is delivered to users. If Google wants to treat YouTube video packets differently than the packets transferred for uploading Google Docs files, it can.

Net Neutrality laws will not affect Google because Google does not pay transit providers to deliver content to users. It peers with them.

2017-11-28 15:07:22 UTC

"Google is privy to the fact that smaller companies, competitors, and start-ups bereft of the resources and capital available to build a global network infrastructure and peer with providers, must instead become customers of higher tier service providers to reach end users.

And what better way to stifle competition in the market, than have these smaller companies subject to a bevy of regulations youโ€™re free of."

2017-11-28 16:27:13 UTC

Ive been trying to get this this throught some peoples 5ft thick skulls recently but they just cant understand it.

2017-11-28 16:40:52 UTC

No, Net Neutralities protection is for the consumer end of it

2017-11-28 16:41:14 UTC

so AT&T, Comcast, etc etc, cant see a packet coming from google and say "hey, they arent giving us any money for this, lets slow them down"

2017-11-28 16:41:35 UTC

be it via route

2017-11-28 16:41:57 UTC

Comcast would also peer with NYIIX in this example so they can receive content from google quickly

2017-11-28 16:42:11 UTC

but once Comcast has that packet, it can treat it in any way it feels

2017-11-28 16:44:04 UTC

because without net neutrality, a consumer ISP could decide a open a new business model by saying "lets charge the website themselves for the bandwidth their users consume"

2017-11-28 16:44:18 UTC

send off a ton of bills to facebook, google, yahoo, bing, and all the other websites

2017-11-28 16:44:31 UTC

obviously they see it as a joke and dont pay the bill

2017-11-28 16:44:38 UTC

so their service gets limited to 2mbps

2017-11-28 16:45:02 UTC

so any facebook packet, or google packet or whatever as soon as it hits comcast's network, gets slowed to 2mbps

2017-11-28 17:56:43 UTC

In the end, we will have to obfuscate and encrypt traffic.

2017-11-28 17:57:26 UTC

encrpytion wouldnt matter at that point

2017-11-28 17:57:34 UTC

Tor

2017-11-28 17:57:50 UTC

sure, something that hides the url you are trying to connect to

2017-11-28 17:58:03 UTC

but you could just throttle all tor traffic

2017-11-28 17:58:23 UTC

regardless of source or destination

2017-11-28 17:58:31 UTC

Yeah, throttle with whitelisting.

2017-11-28 17:59:46 UTC

but this already sounds like a longer fight

2017-11-28 17:59:51 UTC

when its far easier to just stop it ๐Ÿ˜›

2017-11-28 18:19:22 UTC

I'm still evaluating my position in NN after being a big supporter years ago, but this stuff http://www.dailywire.com/news/24009/net-neutrality-protesters-target-fcc-chairmans-hank-berrien crosses a line for me.

2017-11-28 18:20:35 UTC

When people bring those who have nothing to with an issue in, especially their opponents family, I lose all respect for them.

2017-11-28 18:23:39 UTC

When you become known as the guy who fucked everyone's internet, you better have bodyguards 24/7.

2017-11-28 20:18:58 UTC

That's the problem with being on the same side of an issue with leftist sociopaths

2017-11-29 00:40:34 UTC

^ I'm generally really conservative on some things, but I don't think this should have to become another "conservative v.s. liberal" issue.
I don't think it's very liberal to say that access to information is something people should receive equally.
And it really worries me that some people assume they don't need to speak up because someone else will do it for them, that's how these kinda things get made into laws.

2017-11-29 00:56:23 UTC

What law?

2017-11-29 00:57:06 UTC

This was a fcc regulation

2017-11-29 00:57:23 UTC

I'm not just talking about America.

2017-11-29 00:57:48 UTC

But the FCC killing net neutrality would definitely set a precedent.

2017-11-29 00:58:27 UTC

Wut

2017-11-29 00:58:40 UTC

The fcc made nn in the first place

2017-11-29 00:58:51 UTC

The internet exists in other countries and they have their own stances on it.

2017-11-29 00:58:59 UTC

America would influence that if they removed it themselves.

2017-11-29 01:00:15 UTC

How do you think people would react if the FCC succeeds?

2017-11-29 01:01:29 UTC

They already did.

2017-11-29 01:02:05 UTC

It was wrong when the fcc created a regulation on isp without congressional legislation in the first place

2017-11-29 01:02:26 UTC

It is just righting itself

2017-11-29 01:02:30 UTC

And the FCC chairman wasn't even elected, right?

2017-11-29 01:02:42 UTC

Just appointed by Drumpf.

2017-11-29 01:03:08 UTC

Are you even serious

2017-11-29 01:04:04 UTC

Ajit Pai is the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. He was designated Chairman by President Donald J. Trump in January 2017. He had previously served as Commissioner at the FCC, appointed by then-President Barack Obama and confirmed unanimously by the United States Senate in May 2012.

2017-11-29 01:04:22 UTC

How is that- not serious?

2017-11-29 01:21:49 UTC

>Unironicly saying Drumpf

2017-11-29 01:22:06 UTC

i'm not anti trump at all, i just said it because it was once his family surname [but never his name]

2017-11-29 01:22:22 UTC

i don't ride his dick or anything but he's not the "worst president ever"

2017-11-29 11:07:08 UTC

not rascist @ all

2017-11-29 11:08:19 UTC

Is Warren a race realist? I thought biology wasn't real

2017-11-29 11:10:54 UTC

it's a social construct

2017-11-29 11:11:03 UTC

we're all the same

2017-11-29 11:11:10 UTC

u are me and i am you

2017-11-29 11:50:14 UTC

So you are also a furry?

2017-11-29 12:02:41 UTC

<:think_cartoon:378717098618388491>

2017-11-29 19:16:06 UTC

Fascism came to America when we started imperialism

2017-11-29 20:40:41 UTC

I like how racist that flag is, because it lacks the brown and black stripes. <:sargonpepe:382978608894836747>

2017-11-29 20:40:56 UTC

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist Stateโ€”a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all valuesโ€”interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people

2017-11-29 20:41:01 UTC

Hmmmmm

2017-11-29 20:41:37 UTC

What in fact is Fascism? A socialism emancipated from democracy. A trade unionism free of the chains of the class struggle had imposed on Italian labour. A methodical and successful will to bring together in a same fascio all the human factors of national production ... A determination to approach, to threat, to resolve the worker question in itself ... and to unite unions in corporations, to coordinate them, to incorporate the proletariat into the hereditary and traditional activities of the historical State of the Fatherland

2017-11-29 20:41:41 UTC

Hmmmmmm

2017-11-29 20:43:04 UTC

Its almost like fascism has become a meaningless term because you use it for everything

2017-11-30 03:22:12 UTC

trippy

2017-11-30 03:22:20 UTC

was on the front page of my youtube

2017-11-30 03:22:24 UTC

was just about to click through to it

2017-11-30 03:50:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/385638728351088651/image.png

2017-11-30 03:51:07 UTC

Fuck yo NN ni๐Ÿ…ฑ๐Ÿ…ฑa

2017-11-30 13:46:33 UTC

What I hear is "they can do whatever they pay us to not notice"

2017-12-02 03:06:37 UTC

US SENATE VOTING ON TAXES NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5EokSiR8sU

2017-12-02 03:09:05 UTC

fucking Bernie

2017-12-02 03:09:23 UTC

Praise our great Communist leader.

2017-12-02 03:09:49 UTC

<:commie_ball:382980733360406563>

2017-12-02 03:10:49 UTC

(((Bernie "SHUT IT DOWN" Sanders)))

2017-12-02 03:10:56 UTC

Whatโ€™s the tally so far?

2017-12-02 03:11:13 UTC

They haven't voted yet, they just stopped the motion to adjourn until monday.

2017-12-02 03:11:27 UTC

OV VEY SHUT IT DOWN

2017-12-02 03:11:40 UTC

oy veyyyyyyyy

2017-12-02 03:11:56 UTC

I've never actually said MAGA unironically until now but *MAGA*

2017-12-02 03:16:46 UTC

good lord the people in the live chat think the world is going to explode in 4 minutes

2017-12-02 03:48:51 UTC

I'm gettin a good feeling about this. They've blocked all the amendments so far.

2017-12-03 08:34:25 UTC

nope

2017-12-03 08:34:37 UTC

and that's why that shouldn't be allowed

2017-12-03 08:34:44 UTC

it'll corrupt 'em

2017-12-03 08:37:15 UTC

You should have to be 18 for any form of surgery or horomone treatment

2017-12-03 14:50:03 UTC

Thomas Sowell is red-pilled af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxYu90mxvh0

2017-12-03 14:50:53 UTC

Might actually be the most densely intellectual and wellspoken news segment I've ever seen...

2017-12-03 15:09:28 UTC

I cannot wait to hear him and Ruben talk

2017-12-03 15:09:49 UTC

I am going to go to that talk if they ever put any info out about it

2017-12-03 15:21:29 UTC

I know I can't wait either. Is it not in Rubin's studio?

2017-12-03 16:43:54 UTC

Wait , he and Rubin are actually having a talk?

2017-12-03 16:46:34 UTC

It is happening at Stanford

2017-12-03 17:06:55 UTC

Cool

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