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2017-11-25 02:38:03 UTC

there are records of people with the same name, but it was a very common name

2017-11-25 02:38:25 UTC

something like turning water to wine was probably noteworthy enough to mention *somewhere*

2017-11-25 02:42:42 UTC

The Jews also recorded it.

2017-11-25 02:44:13 UTC

>Paul R. Eddy has stated that as Rome's preeminent historian, Tacitus was generally known for checking his sources and was not in the habit of reporting gossip.

2017-11-25 05:57:21 UTC

whoops.

2017-11-25 05:57:26 UTC

nearly forgot to vote

2017-11-25 05:57:44 UTC

probably says something about the general enthusiasm for this election tho

2017-11-25 06:48:43 UTC

@Durtle02 "bullshit!!!!"

2017-11-25 06:48:50 UTC

Lol

2017-11-25 10:39:34 UTC

how the fuck does it have 9k likes

2017-11-25 10:41:33 UTC

they can say whatever they want, and then they can do whatever they want (even if it contradicts what they told you) without you knowing what the hell they're doing

2017-11-25 10:41:47 UTC

that's what a private company can do, I will never understand americans

2017-11-25 13:46:27 UTC

Yeah! Trust us, we're Comcast, you have our word ๐Ÿ˜‰

2017-11-25 13:53:05 UTC

Comcast is senpai

2017-11-25 13:53:17 UTC

Comcast : Bend over

2017-11-25 13:54:02 UTC

I just upgraded to 1gb internet for 70

2017-11-25 13:54:17 UTC

Its not all bad

2017-11-25 13:56:26 UTC

There wouldnt be a problem If there were many ISP in a region

2017-11-25 13:57:06 UTC

I just think is is a massive overreaction

2017-11-25 13:57:25 UTC

There will be cons and pros

2017-11-25 13:57:39 UTC

Gotchya, Dan ๐Ÿ˜‰

2017-11-25 13:57:54 UTC

There are legitimate conserns

2017-11-25 13:58:19 UTC

But NN was only in place for two years

2017-11-25 14:00:35 UTC

The ISP acted like there was NN before it was passed in 2015

2017-11-25 14:01:13 UTC

I havent seen any fracturing before it was made official

2017-11-25 14:09:56 UTC

that's probably not accurate - what you should say is "we presume ISPs acted like there was NN before 2015", because american ISPs/telecoms were actively engaged in lobbying to _stop_ net neutrality being implemented in europe from 2004 and onwards until it was enacted around 2011

2017-11-25 14:41:57 UTC

NN is protected here in Europe

2017-11-25 14:42:47 UTC

The image you have senn about paying differentry forsocial media apps is for mobile data foe wich NN doesnt apply

2017-11-25 15:47:02 UTC

Good, because nobody uses mobile data for internet access.

2017-11-25 16:20:09 UTC

Yet

2017-11-25 16:44:23 UTC

I keep seeing people arguing in favour of NN because "there's only one ISP in my area and-" but noone seems to have asked why there's only one ISP in their area. I might do some digging myself, but off the cuff it really wouldn't surprise me if a government organisation were at least partially responsible for that, be it at state, local, or federal level. For all the internet problems we have in my country, a lack of choice between ISPs is rarely one of them

2017-11-25 16:45:09 UTC

You need the government's permission to lay wires around the land.

2017-11-25 16:45:15 UTC

Also, now that the government has *less* influence in the mobile telco department, it's cheaper to ditch your landline phone and just use your mobile phone for local, state and even international calls

2017-11-25 16:45:44 UTC

Mobile is easier on the infrastucture

2017-11-25 16:46:52 UTC

The permission to build infrastructure often comes with exclusivity guarantees. As in, you won't have to spend your own money digging up pipes to burrow wires, only to have your competitor use the same pipes for his wires.

2017-11-25 16:46:55 UTC

I'm also saying the government isn't playing favourites amongst the service providers in the mobile telco marketplace, or at least not to the extent that they are in other areas

2017-11-25 16:47:30 UTC

That's why usually the duopoly is internet-by-phone-line or internet-by-cable.

2017-11-25 16:47:47 UTC

Wires should be used like pipes

2017-11-25 16:48:11 UTC

I still remember when an ISP approached my parents, who managed a townhouse complex in Sydney, with the opportunity to connect NBN cable to their complex

2017-11-25 16:48:13 UTC

Parents agreed

2017-11-25 16:48:19 UTC

Lay them down then let them be used by any company who pays for maintanence

2017-11-25 16:48:23 UTC

Same thing with poles, for plebs using above-ground wiring.

2017-11-25 16:49:06 UTC

Then NBNco, a government-owned corporation, barged in and basically declared "you can't do that! that's *our* job!"

2017-11-25 16:49:25 UTC

this must've been around... whew.. 2011? I'd have to ask them next time I see them

2017-11-25 16:49:28 UTC

But anyway

2017-11-25 16:49:43 UTC

basically, no NBN for several more years

2017-11-25 16:50:04 UTC

Entire thing has been a fucking debacle

2017-11-25 16:51:24 UTC

Pretty sure Gold Coast city council has somehow managed to politick their way into laying their own NBN cable (HFC) because of how long NBNCo is taking to do it, and they want it all sorted out before the Commonwealth Games next year

2017-11-25 16:53:04 UTC

Either way it doesnt concern me. NN is protected in Europe

2017-11-25 16:53:37 UTC

Are you saying Europe has it's own codified law or..

2017-11-25 16:54:08 UTC

he means EU, of course

2017-11-25 16:54:48 UTC

It is codified

2017-11-25 16:55:03 UTC

it was enacted in 2011 in the EU, like I said earlier

2017-11-25 16:55:04 UTC

it was enacted in 2011 in the EU, like I said earlier

2017-11-25 16:55:07 UTC

Just like roaming with mobile?

2017-11-25 16:55:12 UTC

Yep

2017-11-25 16:55:21 UTC

That was enacted this year i think

2017-11-25 16:55:31 UTC

The companies were ripping us off

2017-11-25 16:55:39 UTC

I'd like to see a copy of it

2017-11-25 16:55:52 UTC

Now there is a proposal to end geoblocking

2017-11-25 16:55:53 UTC

Because I wouldn't be surprised if certain exceptions were made

2017-11-25 16:58:05 UTC

ta

2017-11-25 16:58:30 UTC

Posting a source <:next_level:382980753270505473>

2017-11-25 17:01:28 UTC

3am here

2017-11-25 17:01:33 UTC

so shall read a little later

2017-11-25 17:01:56 UTC

suffice to say that I am v e r y skeptical of the government riding in on a white horse when it comes to these issues

2017-11-25 17:02:03 UTC

but I'm willing to give it a fair shake

2017-11-25 17:02:36 UTC

no problem

2017-11-25 17:02:51 UTC

I uderstand your position on it

2017-11-25 17:02:54 UTC

the EU should be burned to the ground at this point, but the legislation they've enacted for consumer protection is stronger than anything in the world

2017-11-25 17:03:13 UTC

both things can be true at the same time

2017-11-25 17:03:15 UTC

The best consumer protection we have

2017-11-25 17:03:37 UTC

2 years waranty

2017-11-25 17:04:08 UTC

14 days to return anything without reason

2017-11-25 17:04:13 UTC

well I was mostly talking about data retention policies and net neutrality and privacy issues, so that's my bad with regards to wording

2017-11-25 17:04:34 UTC

I realise there are better warranties by law in individual countries

2017-11-25 17:05:15 UTC

There also was the cookie law

2017-11-25 17:05:40 UTC

that's just hilarious I think :-P I wonder if it has had any actual "good" effects

2017-11-25 17:06:03 UTC

Mostly annoying

2017-11-25 17:06:22 UTC

from what I can see, people either don't understand that the "popup/under bar" is not part of the website and just ignore it as screen-spam, or they click "OK" before reading it

2017-11-25 17:06:47 UTC

I understand it, and I still consider it screen-spam

2017-11-25 17:08:23 UTC

Cookie law?

2017-11-25 17:09:20 UTC

You have to give information to the user that you use cookies on your website

2017-11-25 17:09:44 UTC

Ahh

2017-11-25 17:09:54 UTC

I was thinking baked goods

2017-11-25 19:06:06 UTC

<:think_woke:378717098681171988>

2017-11-26 22:09:26 UTC

Is there a philosophy channel?

2017-11-26 22:29:08 UTC

philosophy is for the gays

2017-11-26 22:29:13 UTC

and pedos

2017-11-26 22:51:56 UTC

Maybe we need a #thunkery for more serious discussions.

2017-11-26 22:53:43 UTC

#we-came-we-saw-we-thunk

2017-11-26 23:20:31 UTC

Philosophy is pseudoscience

2017-11-26 23:22:03 UTC

wut

2017-11-26 23:22:54 UTC

We got every science from philosophy

2017-11-26 23:23:14 UTC

It was the first science we had

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