Too vague

I even voted Neutral on that.

should someones ability determine how hard they work?

To be honest we kinda already have that partly.

with incentive

There really isn't any jobs where you don't make enough to make a living.

It's so vague every society has it partly

i guess if you break it down to an abtrasct

It is inherently abstract

ehhhh

if you had less and someone has more is it right to take from the one who has more?

Still too abstract

Not surprising results

I generally just view that question as "do I think socialism is a good idea", I know thats simplifying it two much, but I just do that simplicities sake.

Yeah I think it leans that way

Or just vote neutral.

Because it's vague.

Socialism doesnt work, Socialist policies can work

Basically what social democracy is

Sure.

kinda late to the party

We need to eradicate religion.

Cool down the jets there

Stalin wanted to eradicate it and see what happened

Stalin was a mong though.

And I am not equating you

It's not really that big of a deal in europe but america has serious religious issues that needs solving.

They need more secular attitudes

A lot more secular.

They're on the same level as radical islam.

Not anti-theist but secular

Yes.

Persecuting anyone is a bad thing.

*coughs* Self proclaimed socialists of america *coughs*

America is on the same level as radical Islam? You fuckin' what?

There are certain schools that teach creationism as equal to evolution.

That is a mind blowing false equivalence

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/925861888507777024

This is what you are comparing it

Sure, it's not ISIS levels of nuttery.
But it's about as religious nutjob you get.

Contradictory statements are contradictory

Fair.
But it still doesn't make it any less of a problem.

It really does

Well, less of a problem than you and others make it out to be

A problem doesn't become more or less of a problem because it's worse somewhere else in the world.

Right.
I might've used some overly harsh words, Brian.
But it's a threat to the fundamentals of western society values still.

It's something that needs to be looked at seriously.

And quickly too.

It's a steadily declining influence

Is it? Because it was recently put into a bunch of states.

Not the other way around.

That's interesting. Do you have a source for that?

It might've been in Louisiana.

Gonna have to look it up again.

That would make sense

Not a threat to national security though

Lol

Now who's on the wrong side of the fence?
It not being related to national security doesn't make it any less of a problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States#Development_by_state
There also seems to be way more states than I initially thought.

To me it does

National security is my primary concern

Shit. Then why not give up all your rights then.

It's easier to secure the nation if no one has any rights.

It's not necessary

And I would argue against the long-term security of an Authoritarian state

I don't understand what religion and national security have to do with eachother, good or bad.

A global caliphate would certainly compromise national security

But the original issue was religion in the United States

No it was a comparison between religion in the US and radical Islam

Soyaman went on to make that comparison to try to reinforce his point, and while I don't agree the two can be compared, I think the original issue still stands that religion in the United States still poses many problems even if they aren't necessarily threats to national security.

I agree with that

I'm no fan of delusion

I conceded the point that it's not a comparison to radical islam.

I know you have, I'm not trying to assign viewpoints to anybody. I'm just going back over what happened and trying to untangle the topics here, since they were getting a bit muddied together.

Religion poisons everything

I agree 100%

Unfortunately religion seems to be symptomatic of a deeper flaw that is faith

i think religion is a symptom of humans natural tribal desire for heirarchy combined with the best explanation of the universe a bunch of stone age people could create, thats been perpetuated throughout history by the mutually beneficial relationship between religion and state

I guess I mean mostly in its current embodiment

there literally wasn't anything close to a better explanation available, there are probably more atheists alive now than in the rest of human history

Once the statist and scientific aspects have been replaced

its an empty hull of blind faith and god of the gaps arguments

There are still foundations of wishful thinking, i.e. afterlife

creationist arguments after you boil off the long dead bullshit you're just left with "look how pretty the sunrise is" etc and misuse of the words "chance" and "theory"

Masturbating to their own awe

i had an interesting chat with an ex-atheist catholic traditionalist on poldare and basically all his arguments were based on a fundamental denial of objective truth in favor of his feels

much along the same ideological lines of early fascism, unironic feels before reals

A tenuous comparison imo, but devaluing logic and reason is contrary to any productive system of thought

his justification was decidedly vague shit like "experiences i couldnt explain" etc

Typical

God loves those gaps

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-02/facebook-russian-ads-that-influenced-the-us-election/9106214

They had some pretty good prop

some gr8 b8 m8

hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwDnJbURvw

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/8vzPm4R8HsI8zwd6e-yn6oSgEmG60y0EnAPX1IYdij8/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/DNocT3YW0AEWSEE.jpg%3Alarge?width=712&height=920

tax policy highlights its a good start but the need is to take a swing at the corperate tax rate