Because he was a dictator

He did many good things

he didnt even have any official power

But ultimately the murder and illicit jailings. The torture. The surveillance. It outweighed the healthcare. The stability. The education.

He still used fear

And he got what everyone who uses fear gets.

Tbh I still think he is better than what is there now

But he was very far from a saint

what did he jail for

dont say criticism

that was allowed

Many things. Political dissent being one.

called it

Not criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_dissent

appears they're the same thing

I'll rephrase

Political opponents

Better?

people who criticize the government = political opponents

Abu salim prison

Human rights violations there

alleged*

No doubt he lifted up his people. But he did not do it bloodlessly.

its not like the west is guilty of killing innocents

didnt eisenhower kill like 1m german pows extrajudicially

The west's bloodstains are irrelevant here. We are discussing gaddafi. Believe me i have a lot to say about the west's atrocities

+ obama's airstrikes killing civilians

right i thought you were one of those people who say the west does nto do these things

My point is don't romanticize

I am in general adversarial to government actions. I believe in extreme rigor and watchdogs.

i mean, i dont really have sympathy for the kinds of people who went to that prison

its hard to

Rights are rights. If you can take them from one you can take them from all.

Sympathy or not. If that massacre happened it was wrong.

if it happened

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

I agree

It's why I don't support him being ousted

We didn't have nearly enough reason

https://twitter.com/GodDoesnt/status/1012669843173232641

A Twitter thread observed by the JBP server

I give the guy points for being self aware, but honestly believing Trump is anything close to a "worst nightmare" for the left is also part of the problem.

Hell, thats what is driving the hysteria, the insane belief that Trump is going to destroy the world when he is a crushingly mediocre politician in every way. Most of his success is owed to that hysteria.

Trump isn't mediocre imo. I'm not his biggest fan but he had made some moves. Though the N. korea summit greatly dissappointed me.

Yes he has.

Which is why i said mediocre and not awful

With 5 being perfectly meh. Trump is a 6.5

Of course with time that can change. It just depends.

what was the problem with the korea summit @dasuberuser

Nothing was accomplished that I'm aware of. Accept for getting him to a summit of course.

That is an accomplishment on its own

True

Slightly Offens*ve was attacked. Summer is here boys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MkgVVXDi2I

attack @14:17 followed by a massive crowd chanting "shame"

By who?

Damn

seems to be a masked antifa faggot

More like pantyfa

Trump excells at the financial portions. Economic and regulatory. He does saunder some on foriegn. But to be honest N Korea is 60 years in the making. I wasnt going to be fixed in a day, even he said that. But to be honest we only gained from the summet not lost. Far better dealings than the Iran mess

Even Iran, took an internal hit now.

Iran was an international hit in the first place

EU will get the privilege of funding the first nuke that goes off in their territory.

I mean, internal. Iranians are now chanting death to Palestine, and an end to the current government.

shady dealings to get them money they shouldnt have on the promise they would stop nuke research when they werent going to. And it didnt even incluse stopping missile research.

they have been chanting that for decades

That usually means some underlings didn't get paid well enough.

gotta keep those keys to power happy <:GWgoaThinken:405753076432109573>

Sup roach

So they're not too confident on the EU paying what the USA promised.

Are you ready to make sultan erdogan very happy @Ruggwain ?

We already gave then 1.5bil in euroes

And we already backed out of it

I dunno <:GWgoaThinken:405753076432109573>

Are you ready for greek concentration camps? <:GWgoaThinken:405753076432109573>

Are you ready for the complete and through eradication of the Turks?

🤔

you'd have to fight a lot of countries for that <:GWgoaThinken:405753076432109573>

Nah

Just the roaches in turkey

The other Turks are cool

🤔 strange coming from you

The Turks in turkey need to wiped out

We can give annatolia to actual roaches.

Give Anatolia back to the Romans

Yes

There are real romans still around? I thought the last of em were turned into mussalini pretty boys.

It's a joke I've been floating around this server after one guy stopped around to tell us about how the Balkans are true Albanian lands. After a bit of poking about Turkish and Greek claims, I just went for broke and said "Give the Balkans back to the Romans"

Skylanders is w0ke apparently

Been watching their show and they had an entire episode about "the Utopia is just one arrested thoughtcriminal away"

Fucking oomph <:high_iq:382980759012638731>

...What

Really makes you <:thronk:441701565607444482>

have you guys heard of america uncovered

No

yes

I linked to them last night

In this very channel, even

I haven't

It's a spinoff channel of China Uncensored, which is a Patreon funded venture in reporting about China related things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrEqATvtGHA

They're pretty balanced in reporting the different perspectives while adding a sprinkle of comedy and sarcasm to things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtLnTyimT0

Good old China