strange

though in 75 it was made punishable by the death penalty to try and overthrow the government

That is the act of a dictator though

damn you right

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Because he was a dictator

He did many good things

he didnt even have any official power

But ultimately the murder and illicit jailings. The torture. The surveillance. It outweighed the healthcare. The stability. The education.

He still used fear

And he got what everyone who uses fear gets.

Tbh I still think he is better than what is there now

But he was very far from a saint

what did he jail for

dont say criticism

that was allowed

Many things. Political dissent being one.

called it

Not criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_dissent

appears they're the same thing

I'll rephrase

Political opponents

Better?

people who criticize the government = political opponents

Abu salim prison

Human rights violations there

alleged*

No doubt he lifted up his people. But he did not do it bloodlessly.

its not like the west is guilty of killing innocents

didnt eisenhower kill like 1m german pows extrajudicially

The west's bloodstains are irrelevant here. We are discussing gaddafi. Believe me i have a lot to say about the west's atrocities

+ obama's airstrikes killing civilians

right i thought you were one of those people who say the west does nto do these things

My point is don't romanticize

I am in general adversarial to government actions. I believe in extreme rigor and watchdogs.

i mean, i dont really have sympathy for the kinds of people who went to that prison

its hard to

Rights are rights. If you can take them from one you can take them from all.

Sympathy or not. If that massacre happened it was wrong.

if it happened