But he was very far from a saint

what did he jail for

dont say criticism

that was allowed

Many things. Political dissent being one.

called it

Not criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_dissent

appears they're the same thing

I'll rephrase

Political opponents

Better?

people who criticize the government = political opponents

Abu salim prison

Human rights violations there

alleged*

No doubt he lifted up his people. But he did not do it bloodlessly.

its not like the west is guilty of killing innocents

didnt eisenhower kill like 1m german pows extrajudicially

The west's bloodstains are irrelevant here. We are discussing gaddafi. Believe me i have a lot to say about the west's atrocities

+ obama's airstrikes killing civilians

right i thought you were one of those people who say the west does nto do these things

My point is don't romanticize

I am in general adversarial to government actions. I believe in extreme rigor and watchdogs.

i mean, i dont really have sympathy for the kinds of people who went to that prison

its hard to

Rights are rights. If you can take them from one you can take them from all.

Sympathy or not. If that massacre happened it was wrong.

if it happened

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

I agree

It's why I don't support him being ousted

We didn't have nearly enough reason

https://twitter.com/GodDoesnt/status/1012669843173232641

A Twitter thread observed by the JBP server

I give the guy points for being self aware, but honestly believing Trump is anything close to a "worst nightmare" for the left is also part of the problem.

Hell, thats what is driving the hysteria, the insane belief that Trump is going to destroy the world when he is a crushingly mediocre politician in every way. Most of his success is owed to that hysteria.

Trump isn't mediocre imo. I'm not his biggest fan but he had made some moves. Though the N. korea summit greatly dissappointed me.

Yes he has.

Which is why i said mediocre and not awful

With 5 being perfectly meh. Trump is a 6.5

Of course with time that can change. It just depends.