Your stomach would give way and you'd quit before first base

no

degen

I saw I great Doc

about Mexican Crack whores

..

porque

guys got $5 she's like finish in 10mins or fuck off

it was cruel and unsual

normal price was $10 an hour

I have no idea how to find a link

https://twitter.com/TheQuartering/status/953663096203210753

It's a den of homelessness, drug addiction, gang violence, beaches covered in garbage and needles, liberal actors....

And illegal immigrants

yes, but that might be why they want independence

these areas have been essentially ruled from the major cities, with policies forced down their throat

it's the same argument as to why the electoral college exists

that said, you can play that game forever

"New California" IS those big cities and where all that terrible shit is. New California would actually free the rest of the state from the terribleness

It'd also free the US from people trying to advocate for popular vote

If your big cities that vote democrat aren't in the union anymore, the ones where if it was by popular vote they'd control about half the election,

they're not gonna advocate for popular vote anymore

@Jek Porkins http://www.agenda21radio.news/new-california/

oh it's no the lefties seceeding

If such a thing happened, You'd see Northern CA break off in a heartbeat

so you'd wind up with three states out of the one

it's everyone seceeding from the lefties

@Jek Porkins I'm not sure I understand what you mean

granted, I'm no expert on the geography, or where the major cities are

my impression is that you have it the wrong way around

I'm happy to be corrected

I think you're both on the same wavelength

I think so too

Honestly the US should just split up into individual states and forbid each other from allying with any other state

then we can finally move in and have some actual usable land

instead of just snow, natives, and *quebec*

Oh I had the map backwards

yes, I think we agree then :P

Kek

I think prefer the state of Jefferson to New California

NCR when?

...you know what

we should get new california to become a thing

just so it can become a republic

it can't

fuck

goddamnit how are we going to patrol the mojave now

it would not function

Google Texas

it has it's own everything

water power

illegal immigration

That's Federal

Texas is the UK but in the US?

wot

Texas is an island

Broo wtf

are you being challenged?

nope

[1:40 PM] Smak64: I'm not taking offense, nor am I assuming you meant to give it, I'm saying it's a position so stupid that I'd actually say accusing someone of holding it is ad hominem
[1:41 PM] Smak64: But anyhow, we're more or less back and forth on that and really all we can do with it is agree to disagree.

I don't agree to disagree

Okay, well then it just goes into a back and forth and nobody gets anywhere

I don't agree to that either, you say I accused you of holding a belief, but that's not true, I said if you believe A then I don't see why you wouldn't believe B, to point out the absurdity of the belief

and get you to reconsider

we've been over this before here in voice chat, I believe the conclusion we reached then was that approximately 95-98% of all purported "hate crimes" are fake

that's all I wanted to say

then you started arguing for the case you linked

but your arguments carry no weight, because of precedent and statistics

it's reasonable to assume that it's fake until proven otherwise

And I ended it with saying that I'm going to investigate it more, to see what I can find out

See if any more info comes up

that's fair enough, that's not a point of contention

The point we ended up arguing on is if saying someone might believe that communism hasn't really been tried yet is ad hominem or not

yes but that's not what I said, I've explained that now

"Today is the first time we've heard there are additional suspects out there, this contradicts what they have been saying, [Sheriff] Lombardo has said there are no other suspects," Maggie McCletchie, a lawyer for the media outlets said.

Okay, and what I've said regarding that is I think saying it is ad hominem because, at least in my mind, to believe that communism has not yet really been tried is such an absurd and, frankly, moronic position that it fails entirely as a level comparison

Like comparing an apple to a rotten and smashed to bits apple, they're not equivalent

obviously I disagree entirely with that, or I wouldn't have used it to make a point

Which is why I ended up just saying this is more or less just a back and forth, and all we can really do is agree to disagree

We're obviously not going to convince each other and won't get anywhere

that's not true, you're saying I used an ad hominem, and speculating on my motives

And I'm saying it's an ad hominem because your comparison fails in that comparing thinking a "hate crime" might actually have been done by the alt-right to believing that communism has not yet really been tried is an absolute shit comparison, especially when I said I'm going to look further into it. My position is in no way as absurd as saying communism hasn't been tried yet really.

I'll grant you that I said I'd look into it after the comparison

you've already said that, and it's just not true, they're entirely apt comparisons

but you've come back to it now to contest it

one belief is that in spite of 95+% of reported cases being hoaxes, this specific one might be worth reading about or looking into

the other belief is that in spite of 100% of the time failing miserably, it might work next time

they're entirely equivalent almost

No, because the scale of what's talked about is completely different. A "hate crime" that's nothing more than putting up a poster that's if you don't look into it, weird, and if you do look into it, neutral at worst. You are comparing this to the belief that a complete and utter fucking retarded *failure* of an economic system that would, in order to succeed, rely on either a total population of robots or a complete reworking of the human mind.

The former, it's entirely possible for either direction, we'd need to see more evidence to know for sure.

The second, we have the evidence. It just won't *work.*

ye no shit the scale is different, I that doesn't change the fact that the argument is entirely apt and requires the same belief

I purposely chose an absurd scale for _effect_ to make a _point_

Okay, so do you want to apply this belief to anything else, then?

listen, I don't give a fuck about the argument, what I care about is that you presume my motive and say I use ad hominems

How about a majority of women getting not guilty for crimes throughout history? Does this mean that if a women is arrested for a crime, she probably didn't do it?

I've laid out my explanation, and you can agree with it or not

but you _can't_ presume to disprove my motivation

[10:07 PM] folk: one belief is that in spite of 95+% of reported cases being hoaxes, this specific one might be worth reading about or looking into
[10:08 PM] folk: the other belief is that in spite of 100% of the time failing miserably, it might work next time
[10:08 PM] folk: they're entirely equivalent almost