Message from @folk

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2018-01-17 17:15:19 UTC  

fuck

2018-01-17 17:15:30 UTC  

goddamnit how are we going to patrol the mojave now

it would not function

Google Texas

it has it's own everything

water power

2018-01-17 17:16:43 UTC  

illegal immigration

That's Federal

Texas is the UK but in the US?

Texas is an island

2018-01-17 17:19:15 UTC  

Broo wtf

2018-01-17 17:19:22 UTC  

are you being challenged?

2018-01-17 20:53:45 UTC  

[1:40 PM] Smak64: I'm not taking offense, nor am I assuming you meant to give it, I'm saying it's a position so stupid that I'd actually say accusing someone of holding it is ad hominem
[1:41 PM] Smak64: But anyhow, we're more or less back and forth on that and really all we can do with it is agree to disagree.

2018-01-17 20:54:03 UTC  

I don't agree to disagree

2018-01-17 20:54:27 UTC  

Okay, well then it just goes into a back and forth and nobody gets anywhere

2018-01-17 20:55:20 UTC  

I don't agree to that either, you say I accused you of holding a belief, but that's not true, I said if you believe A then I don't see why you wouldn't believe B, to point out the absurdity of the belief

2018-01-17 20:55:25 UTC  

and get you to reconsider

2018-01-17 20:56:52 UTC  

we've been over this before here in voice chat, I believe the conclusion we reached then was that approximately 95-98% of all purported "hate crimes" are fake

2018-01-17 20:57:09 UTC  

that's all I wanted to say

2018-01-17 20:57:17 UTC  

then you started arguing for the case you linked

2018-01-17 20:57:28 UTC  

but your arguments carry no weight, because of precedent and statistics

2018-01-17 20:57:42 UTC  

it's reasonable to assume that it's fake until proven otherwise

2018-01-17 20:57:51 UTC  

And I ended it with saying that I'm going to investigate it more, to see what I can find out

2018-01-17 20:58:10 UTC  

See if any more info comes up

2018-01-17 20:58:15 UTC  

that's fair enough, that's not a point of contention

2018-01-17 20:59:13 UTC  

The point we ended up arguing on is if saying someone might believe that communism hasn't really been tried yet is ad hominem or not

2018-01-17 20:59:52 UTC  

yes but that's not what I said, I've explained that now

2018-01-17 21:00:36 UTC  

"Today is the first time we've heard there are additional suspects out there, this contradicts what they have been saying, [Sheriff] Lombardo has said there are no other suspects," Maggie McCletchie, a lawyer for the media outlets said.

2018-01-17 21:01:37 UTC  

Okay, and what I've said regarding that is I think saying it is ad hominem because, at least in my mind, to believe that communism has not yet really been tried is such an absurd and, frankly, moronic position that it fails entirely as a level comparison

2018-01-17 21:02:37 UTC  

Like comparing an apple to a rotten and smashed to bits apple, they're not equivalent

2018-01-17 21:03:29 UTC  

obviously I disagree entirely with that, or I wouldn't have used it to make a point

2018-01-17 21:03:58 UTC  

Which is why I ended up just saying this is more or less just a back and forth, and all we can really do is agree to disagree

2018-01-17 21:04:09 UTC  

We're obviously not going to convince each other and won't get anywhere

2018-01-17 21:04:14 UTC  

that's not true, you're saying I used an ad hominem, and speculating on my motives

2018-01-17 21:06:52 UTC  

And I'm saying it's an ad hominem because your comparison fails in that comparing thinking a "hate crime" might actually have been done by the alt-right to believing that communism has not yet really been tried is an absolute shit comparison, especially when I said I'm going to look further into it. My position is in no way as absurd as saying communism hasn't been tried yet really.

2018-01-17 21:07:15 UTC  

I'll grant you that I said I'd look into it after the comparison

2018-01-17 21:07:17 UTC  

you've already said that, and it's just not true, they're entirely apt comparisons

2018-01-17 21:07:21 UTC  

but you've come back to it now to contest it

2018-01-17 21:07:56 UTC  

one belief is that in spite of 95+% of reported cases being hoaxes, this specific one might be worth reading about or looking into