FITTING POLISH PROFILE OF EAST BALTID + EASTERN + PRUSSIAN

Which elusive germans are you talking about

still undefined

NO, NOT UNDEFINED

ORIGINS OF RUSSIAN POPULATION

when

where

how

RUSSIA WAS ORIGINALLY UNSETTLED

AT THE TIME OF ITS PEOPLING

IT WAS EUROPEAN CASTOFFS

GENETIC EVIDENCE CONFIRMS THIS

that is notoriosly uninformed

PLUS ONE QUARTER ASIAN TENDENCY

Russia was never unsettled

Do you know that histor did not beging in 475 AD

It's clear humans can't do whatever they want but there's a ton of wiggle room. You'd think after so long of poking and prodding we'd have got a better idea by now.

What about Schythians, Sarmatians

Goths

Slavs

Huns

Did these just evaporate

What about Ugro-Finnic peoples

Volga Bulgars etc

Please get a more informed opinion

Its typical germanicism in history, or "other people never happened"

NO, IT IS GENETICS

EVERY POPULATION HAS A SOURCE AND THEN CLINAL VARIATION

THESE CAN BE TRACKED WITH MTDNA AND OTHER RESOURCES

FINNO-UGRIC PEOPLE ARE AN INTERESTING CASE

LIKELY AN EARLIER SPLIT FROM MIGRATION

OF THOSE WHO WOULD BECOME HALLSTATS

But that is exactly the problem with DNA analysis when interpreted by laymen

laymen cannot penetrate deeper in history than 500 years

so they take a DNA pciture and say "yeah, this is that event"

the most formative, i repeat, formative years in any populations DNA makeup

always go beyond "traumatic" events whose contribution to DNA makeup is always marginal, due to the nature of these events

take for example how people interpret presence of similarity between certain aspects of genetic image of peoples of continental Europe and Anatolia

they say "ahhh yes, this is ottoman invasion, and persian invasion"

how about previous 100.000 years of more *profound* movements of peoples

from anatolia to continental europe

and more importantly *vice versa* as well

more profound, but also more slow

more dynamic

more predictable

Alexanders reign and *it's consequences* were way way more important than many things that happened afterwards

Also, consider the nature of circular logic

"German DNA is geared towards form and hierarchy, therefore, German society is thanks to german DNA"

However, the turn when discussing other orderly societies goes like "These societies display a proper form, hence, presence of German DNA"

And mind you, I DO AGREE that Germans in Russian Empire are a reason for establishment of proper form

But i take concrete and non-circular evidence as a proof

Namely, the presence of a ruling German Elite

Which is exactly why I admire Russian Empire, on an appropriate level, not fetishitically

Because it is such a brilliant example of the merit of Aristocracy

The picture however, of such a vast continental area that Russia is, which was for 100.000 years a craddle of an already *large* family of peoples, namely, Indo-European people

as an "empty land" where history started with Germans

is an ignorant worldview for the practical purposes of SS pamphlets

GERMAN SOCIETY IS THANKS TO GERMAN DNA

EVERY SOCIETY IS THANKS TO ITS OWN DNA

THAT IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL

IS GERMAN NATURE "FORM AND HIERARCHY"? IT IS MANY THINGS

too reductive

MORE LIKELY

WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE THREE EUROPES

both categories, DNA and culture, are incomplete

@fallot I DO NOT THINK SO; WITHIN THAT THERE IS INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, BUT ONLY W/N SCOPE DEFINED BY DNA

they don't cover the realms of human existence

a combination, ethnoculture, is a workaround

ETHNOCULTURE IS JUST AN "AND" APPLIED

AND MISSES THE ETHNIC ORIGINS OF CULTURE

THE LEFT THINKS CULTURE COMES BEFORE ETHNICITY

culture itself will have a selecting effect

HAIDT SAYS A FEEDBACK LOOP

so there are cultural effects on ethny

I WROTE ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY AND SO TO AVOID BORING YOU, WILL NOT REPEAT

@diversity_is_racism This is again, true, but when understood with flexibility and when understood as a larger, general picture

But this is preciselly what lead you to describe Russian society as a "peasant" society, as if peasants were it's essential component !

If we are speaking of strictly types of labor

Then, I pointed out that EVERY society was peasant including European

to whih you replied circularly, "but Europe had form"

Ancient Egyptian society was peasant but that misses the point

The overall amount of phenotypic variation that generic variation can actually account for is very small and almost irrelevant. Linking societies to DNA doesn't fit.

I must say, that while I certainly prefer even that kind of weltanschaaung to what we have today

what are you talking about @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ ?

Germanic Folkish order where everything is subject to the imperative of a massive genetical folkish gene pool

Is deviant

The idea that German society is due to German Dna. (Insert other societies as needed)

And more importantly, Germany, until Hitler, NEVER subscribed to that worldview

yeah, it is deviant

Or otherwise, Bavarian ruling elite would've never existed and German society would be entirely lead by Northerners which was not the case

Pomeranian peasants for example

PEASANT SOCIETY = FORMED OF PEASANTS NEARLY ENTIRELY

Were highly appreciated by German society as hard working people

EUROPE HAD SOCIAL TIERS

But they were still peasants

WHAT IS THE FASCINATION WITH GERMANY?

NO, MANY OF THEM WERE KSHATRIYA OR BRAHMIN

HENCE EUROPE'S SUCCESS OVER RUSSIA

IN ADDITION TO GENETIC FACTORS (MISCEGENATION)

Define Europe's success over Russia