yes

Fantasy is much different from reality, however. Some women have rape fantasies, that doesn't mean they want to actually be raped

Yeah

Rape is when you don't want it

yeah

That they do. But you have to search to find the right one & it's all about seeing and searching.

wdym

The rape they want is Kinda like roleplay with someone they trust

Like bdsm

ok that's slightly better

Yeah more or less. Still very intense though.

yeah

wait but estea you didnt answer my question

is it the fault of women/men if they are raped

women can rape women

btw

ik

dont ask how

Depends on three things : environment, people and mindset.

how

explain

huh

Was the woman/man in an environment that they KNEW was known to be a rape heavy environment?

Is their confidence/self-esteem extremely low making them vulnerable? - mindset.

rape cultural is a myth

Did they hang around people who are known sex offenders? - people

Take all those three into account, and then you get your answer.

if all the answers to those are yes

then it's the woman's fault?

for the actions of a man?

or vv or man on man or woman on woman

That situation can be reversed.

yeah

not denying that

The penis can be made hard even if a guy doesn't want it.

Often people got raped by a friend or someone they knew. It's more rare to get raped by a total stranger

yeah the majority of rape victims were raped by acquaintances (at least in 1st world countries)

I think what they are trying to say is just because it's the man's fault for raping somebody doesn't mean you should willingly put yourself into dangerous situations. It's probably illegal to hit somebody with your car but I'm not going to dance on the interstate.

Yeah exactly.

It's males fault if they rape

It's women's fault if they rape.

And to many on the left somehow pointing this out is akin to blaming the rape victim. Nobody is blaming the woman for being raped, it's not her fault, we are just trying to find a practical solution.

Rapist fault

yes, there are things you can do to prevent rape, but if you get raped, it is ultimately the predator's fault

No, it isn't the woman's fault for being raped Estea

Exactly ashnaa

Yeah

It is because women can rape just like men can.

I think the paramount goal should be focusing on prevention by any means possible, both physical and societal

so even if all the answers to estea's questions were yes

It goes both ways.

Oh sorry, I misread, yes that is true Estea

it's still the man's fault

Most often it's not like yu get raped in a dark alley you should've stayed away from

*predator

Women can rape people, 100%

yes

ofc

But they don't rape as much

Cause they don't have the testosterone

If all of the answers are yes, the person in question IS FUCKING STUPID but it is the rapist that is still ultimately, at fault.

Eh, sort of, the statistics on the issue are inaccurate because some places do not legally consider forced PIV by a women as rape

ive read somewhere that men commit 99% of sex crimes, but ive also read that it's the same for men and women

but as some form of sexual assault

Men are stronger

Women would have a hard time raping males

on average, yes

But culturally you can 100% tell there is a difference between how a man raping a woman is perceived and vice versa.

i think biologically they do have a slight advantage

I also read the article where two feminists were warned about Morocco having rape crime yet they wanted to prove how peaceful the people there were.

They were raped & beheaded and found like a week later.

They have like 20 Times more testosterone

oh.

They can force a women, a women have trouble forcing a man

So sex crimes are more often males

Gtg

How about when a man is drunk and a woman rides him knowing he is out of it?

Just because a guy has an erection doesn't mean he wants it

that's assault

Yeah

yes ofc

No that's rape ashnaa

He never said yes.

yes

He never gave consent.

That's rape. Forcing a man against his will to engage in sexual intercourse is rape, not sexual assault

wait without clothes

is rape

yeah

wh

at

nvm

So if the dude has a shirt on it isn't rape? What? lol

what

no sorry that was stupid

it is rape

lol i was gonna say

inb4 rapists start buying a rape shirt to put on their victims

njksdkjngfs

men being raped is just as bad as women being raped

even if it's less common

In all seriousness everybody agrees anybody raping anybody is bad, or at least should

yeah hopefully

What I find is, as I tend to find, a good portion of people with certain social justice views on the left do not agree, they see woman as the perpetual victims and men as the root of the issue

ye duh

nah

rape is bad

whether a man rapes or a woman

like on the "in all seriousness" thingy not that

A woman being raped is proof of a rape culture and a societal issue, we need to teach men "Not To Rape!" While a woman "sexually assaulting" a man is just an outlier. That is how many SJWs view the issue

i think men raping is more talked about than women raping bc of some statistics, whether those statistics are true or not

It drowns out people like ashnaa who seem to just be moderate democrats

That is true, the bigger problem should be addressed more

yeah those people DONT speak for me

The issue is some people denying that the issue even exists. I think we can both agree those people are the issue

same as how far rights dont

Exactly

yes agree

I never actually understood that, why some people paint the right as alt right, it doesn't make sense

The alt right literally stands for the alternative right, meaning they do not agree with the right lol

lmao

alt right and alt left both bad

^^

Both rely on identity politics, for example

mhm

the issue is also blaming the victim

like josh does

Yea, that's despicable to do

josh unepic

I think josh is more of a low effort troll though tbh, not because of his views, but because he never explains them

he says it's cause "they're weak and should have defended themselves"

He sort of just says "woman's fault for being raped dumb lady stay in the kitchen" then disappears and watches the reaction

Yea just low effort

maybe he is busy

we never know

i hope he;s a troll

wait billcat you support woman's rights right

like they should be granted the same rights as men

Wdym? Like equal rights? Of course

yeah ok good

TMK women have equal rights as well, at least in the US. I think the fight for equality is abroad at this point

what about like paid leave

Is paid leave a right?

dont really agree

oh yea, billcat, you are pro life for abortion right

Why so? If you can show me a law that is sexist by intent then I would stand behind you and denounce it

Yes, I am.

what you think of alabama abortion law

he said he has no op

cause there's not enough solid info

Poorly written, but on purpose because they want to oppose roe v wade

oh?

roe v wade should be protected at all costs

I managed to find bits and pieces of it, a lot of the justification behind the law is poor and the medical clarifications are very limited.

yeah

They left it intentionally vague in many places because they want it to be broad enough that if it successfully opposed Roe v Wade then it could be applied elsewhere and then modified per state

And I would say passing vague state legislation so it can be used as a potential copy paste base for other abortion legislation is bad politics

yeah

But honestly the whole debate argument will probably never be solved because two sides are framing it in two different ways

yep

the whole "is it alive" thing

Those on the left frame is as bodily autonomy and a bunch of crusty old white dudes wanting to control women's bodies, those on the right don't see it as that because they see the fetus as a life and care about the life being ended, they have no intent to control a female's body

I've explained my views on the matter before but yea, there really isn't much more than can be said, other than the value of human life is seen as very low to some

yeah um i don't completely agree w the opinion that pro-lifers are trying to restrict woman's rights on purpose

*the value of a fetus

I would make the stance that the discussion has nothing to do with woman's rights unless somebody is advocating for mandatory pregnancy i,e "You must give birth to THREE children in your lifetime"

yeah i would agree with the fact that you guys aren't TRYING to make woman's rights less

but banning abortion is

imo

Also I think the fetus being alive discussion is pointless because whether it is alive is not scientific in basis (Since all single celled organisms are technically "alive") and x y z is just an arbitrary standard to whether it is alive i,e heartbeat, brain waves, etc

it's not murder if it's not alive

but i mean yeah

that's the reason we have diff views

My view is that a zygote already contains the blueprints for a whole human being, it's a potential of a life. Potential is defined as "**having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.**" A zygote, if left untouched, has the capacity to become or develop into something into the future, therefore the potential for an independent human to exist begins at conception.

But yea, that is why we have differing views

potential for a life ≠ a life tho

To me, there is no heaven or hell, or any sort of afterlife, so this is the once chance we have at a life, and to deny that is morally apprehensible to my view

That is true, potential for a life does not always mean there will be a functional human at the end. I would argue that abortion should be permitted in medical circumstances

The mother's life being at risk, or the baby being severely impaired or deformed

yeah

wait isn't you supporting abortion when the baby is severely impaired kinda contradictory to the point of pro-life

that a fetus is a life

and unless it harms another life

hmmmm

sounds like eugenics with extra steps

sounds like slavery with extra steps

shut up

😤

Yes and no, do I think all those with impairment or deformity should be aborted? No, however I think there needs to be some sort of scale formed in which a fetus is rated on it's viability for life

defintley eugenics with extra steps

No, because eugenics believes in killing off groups of people or preventing them from reproducing to "preserve the human race" or some nonsense

um what

that bad

I'm saying that aborting a fetus that would die within hours of being born would not be against my moral standing since that potential for life isn't there, since it is a 100% known fact that this fetus will not have a life

Or a fetus that would 100% be a stillborn

from the eugenics pov, gay people help stop overpopulation

ohh ok

Yea eugenics is trash

lol

i really like those images of anti abortion ads that say "who will be the next police officer" its basicly two birds with one stone

GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 7!

dead cops and abortion rights

ok this has been a good chat

with everyone except josh

gtg

bye

Ha, libs

I don't think ashnaa is really a men's right activist...seems like a diet coke feminist to me...

@Deleted User Wait a second buddy, I remember you from another server

In which you attempted to criticize me for assuming you were a marxist in a conversation

billcat...

you use light theme?

Of course, i'm not a cave dweller

Ew light theme

***why***

light theme is a disgrace

Because my eyes are adjusted to the sun and light by extension

dark theme >>

i said i wasnt a marxist lennist you buffoon @Billcat

please learn to read

but...your roles say you are a marxist? Don't try to morph what I was implying silly

i am a marxist

i am not a marxist lennist

i didnt insult you for assuming i was a marxist

i insulted you for assuming im not a marxist lennist

do you understand

My analogy applied to *both* marxists, leninists, and marxist-leninists

if you had a basic grasp on leftist theory you might

So when you implied you were none of the above you lied

not really no

im not an orthodox marxist

You, my friend, are a meme

shut the fuck up liberal

bwahahahaha

you have literally no proof of any of this

uh one sec

and even if you did It wouldnt matter

because it was like 2 am

That's right, libtard!

OWNED

liberals destroyed

with facts and knowledge

if theres one thing the left and right can agree on

its that liberals fucking suck

This debate was pretty funny to read through

im glad your amused

his fucking scrolling through the other server rn

trying to prove me wrong