We observe this in almost every developed country.

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Poverty does have a tendency to cause crime

Of course

But culture also *causes poverty*

Which causes crime

But we know this to not be the case for Black Americans.
At least it isn't a leading factor.

As there are more poor white people in America than there are poor blacks

Lol if poverty was the reason for crime then whites would commit more crimes then

Culture has a greater impact

Well in all fairness black people have a *higher poverty rate*

But I think it's cultural issues that drive that

A higher poverty rate means nothing
The fact is there are more poor white people in America than there are poor blacks. It's the nominal values that count. So if poverty was a leading factor then whites would commit more crimes. The Hispanic guy was right. The only argument that could be made is that this 'criminal culture' within the black community stems from a high poverty rate.

The greater the percentage of poor people within a community, the greater the likelihood of their culture having a foundation around this high poverty rate.

I'll accept that

But that has nothing to do with the present

And has much to do with the historic circumstances of black Americans

Wait I don't understand your point, what are you saying?

Poverty isn't the reason for blacks committing more crimes than whites

And it's way more to do with culture

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Culture can't cause poverty, but when a culture faces constant set backs from a broken system then yeah- there will be issues. Causation Vs. Correlation

@SinOfDrip very eloquently put

@SinOfDrip I beg to differ

8.1% of White people are in poverty

20% of African Americans are in poverty

Which means 15.7 millions whites are in poverty
And 11 million blacks are in poverty @AETA

So there are more poor white people than there are poor black people

It’s similar

It’s not even that

African Americans are 5.9x more likely to be incarcerated

Than white people

And 4x more likely to be searched

I really doubt it’s the culture

culture can contribute

If culture were to contribute

It wouldn’t contribute much

like look at Africa, it is pretty much expected that you share your wealth with your friends and family

so when you hit it big, you are brought back down

that pattern tends to repeat itself across many cultures

Huh

What does that have to do with African Americans

The Richest Man is from Mali

I doubt that’s true

no it's true

Post Colonization ?

always, but there wasn't much wealth to go around originally

i mean it's somewhat similar in latin america

Post Colonization?

Was this the culture before colonization

as far as we know yes

Nah

Timbuktu was prosperous

not by international standards

It was

In the Islamic world

Plus

If giving away money was apart of our culture

We wouldn’t have so many greedy Black celebs

it's more of a guilt thing

they are guilted into helping people out

We lost our culture in Africa

And our identity

How could we possibly form a new one

That’s exactly like Africa

most likely a biological basis to it

I guess poor whites are likely to live in the country and rural areas where they are much less likely to be stop and searched. That's a fair argument tbf.

Ye

African Americans have basically already formed an identity

It's not a good one

What’s that identity

The Johnsons

The Williams

African Americans are going to be different than Africans

since they are kinda a new group

white dna

African Americans were better as a people when they were under Jim Crow ironically

Black people were better back then

The thing that reset us

Was the depression

It hit us worse than White people

Yes Africans and Afrom Americans genetically differ to some extent

Dude Mali was one of the wealthiest empires on the planet ever

White people benefited from the new deal more than blacks

welfare isn't good for african americans

I agree

it zaps their motivation

There was an emperor that took his pilgrimage to mecca and devalued gold along the entire route by spending so much

African Americans are just

Athletic Africans with White DNA

He literally crashed the gold market in Cairo by spending so much gold

The Slave Trade and Slavery took out the weak

And left the strong

well that's a thing, the europeans would have wanted the best workers

and those good workers would have been bred more often

Ye

Pre-colonial africa was essentially feudal Europe with black people

Africa was doomed

Europe needed to step in

not feudal

The only problem I have with colonization

Is the way they did the borders

Ok then why was the most successful state in Africa during the period of colonization the only one that resisted it?

Mali during one specific time in history isn't representative of africa as whole

I just think Colonization was gay. It didn’t help anything in the end, it was good in its conception. But now we see what happened to The Middle East, Africa, and even South America to some degree

It was before colonization

Mali was a rarity

The rest of Africa was people killing each other

Mali Ethiopia and Egypt

Are the only great countries

A lot of the stuff in mali was facilitated by north african merchants as well

Very true, they also sold the enemies into slavery, to the Europeans

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Not sure if Mali Or Ethiopia did it, but it was fairly common in African Kingdoms considering the constant warfare

Yeah Mali had space

Slaves

People confuse African Slavery with European Slavery

Two different things

African Slaves could hold political power and their kids wouldn’t be born a slave

manpower in africa was probably considered a lot more valuable than in europe

native americans would fight whole wars just to get more manpower

after like calamities

mourning wars

Africans had low fertility

And not enough food to sustain a large population

So ur

Ye

@AETA Can you cite Africans being able to hold political power whilst they were slaves in Africa?

i mean it would make sense that in times of necessity they could open up opportunities to slaves like that

like if a bunch of tribe members died

Yes it makes sense it's just I didn't know that and i want a citation

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This came to an abrupt end

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Oh I was reading something about Mansa Musa

And it said he had slaves in power

I’ll try to find it

slave hierarchies are pretty common

even in America

it's just the hierarchy in America was more limited

It's fine if you don't find it.
I'm reading into those kinda things so I eventually will

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@AETA yeah but crime is ultimately a choice and the cycle isn't 1 to 1. My dad dealt drugs and was in medium security prison. My record is clean. It's the glorification of crime that fuels the cycle.

@Synthetic Aesthetic

So why do Black people "Choose" to commit crime

I dont know, no one tells them to

ghetto culture tells them it's how to be a man

since Democrats have abolished the black family, they have no actual fathers in the household

Because they are in jail

And how do you get in jail?

Commiting a crime

Yes

Fatherless household

No father

+ poverty =

Likely to commit crime

Meaning

Starting another cycle

I'm pretty sure your race doesn't have anything to do with your parents being present

Honestly more strict punishment is a way we should be pushing

I know....

Why would we do harsh punishment

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That just makes it worse

No

It makes it so the cons outweigh the pros

U want harsher sentences on these fathers

Causing more kids to be fatherless

Increasing the crime rate

If the scentancing was harsher they wouldn't want to commit crimes

Death penalty for rape and sexual assault, and more life sentences

More years for drug possession

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That is the worst idea ever