But then you just conceded that there are in fact differences between the Han and the Manchu.

But in China there's more than one ethnic group

Visibly I can't tell the difference. My wife says she can't either. She's Han. But they did have their own separate culture

And on your ID it says what ethnicity you are

Many places in the US will label Mexicans as white, but white Mexican doesn't mean the same thing as white Finn.

If you are referring to the people that primarily occupy the region of modern China, and you want to call them Han, then that would be fine.

But the historical Han do not make up all ethnicities within China, and especially not in greater Asia.

I think you're getting my words mixed up

Then, please, do correct me. No sarcasm, I might be confusing myself.

What is it that you meant?

Han people are the original Orientals. All other Orientals came from them. Jin/Manchu, Hui, Miao, Zhuang, etc.

Not Russians

I am white and Puerto Rican. Not allowed to say I am Puerto Rican though because something something white privalge

Even though they are a minority group in China, just wanted to clarify

That's weird

But the Han are not, because the Han only come up as a term after the _Han Dynasty_.

How come half white and half black people get to say they're black

If you mean **Mongoloid**, that's something else.

I dunno what they called themselves before

It's not what China calls herself now.

China in the commonly accepted Chinese is _Zhongguo_.

I know. Middle country

中国人民

PRC

Okay, but then my point remains that the Han didn't exist far back enough to say that all Asians are descendant from them.

The word didn't. The DNA did

And it's generally believed, so far as I remember from school, perhaps new discoveries have been made into racial history, but the Asian "race", as loosely as you can define it, the Mongoloids, came form the Steppes, not where China is now.

Some of the minorities aren't even different in genetics, just in culture

Yeah you're right

But that was probably before they even looked like Asians

Perhaps, but I had to be autistically specific about this.

In any case, apologies for derailing you for so long.

Nah man you're good

I'm glad that we could be civil, in that case.

It's such a relief to find someone intelligent

Well no reason not to be civil. We didn't really disagree, just used different terminolo

Terminology

Now here's an interesting question for you

I'll try to answer it as best I can.

We Christians have always heard of races being divided into Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhetic

I've always heard of Hamitic being black people

And Japhetic being Asians

But I've also read an idea that Hamitic people were white people in North Africa

Which one do you think is right?

From what I understand as of right now, the Hamitics - going back into history as the term has fallen out of use - referred to Africans but not necessarily _blacks_.

The Kushites and Abyssinians were considered Hamitics for quite a while, but now they'd be Sudanese and Ethiopian.

Respectively.

On a technicality, they would be part of the Caucasoid group, which makes them cousins to whites more than whites themselves.

However, there's also significant admixture of Congoloids, now these would be the West African and down kinds of blacks that most are familiar with when thinking of Africa.

(Admixture of Congoloids has increased over the centuries, so DNA tests on preserved rulers and slaves tell us in these regions in East Africa, meaning they could've been paler back then.)

Hmm

In this respect I'd say that the Hamitic people would be considered the "cousins", if that makes sense, of Europeans. Distantly related, further than Semitic people would be, but somewhat closer to Europe than contemporary Africa.

So blacks could be Hamitic, but Hamitic may not have been black originally

They could be, yes.

There's a lot of information that we don't know about the region and the people in their origins.

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Not that white, really. Mediterranean tanned, but perhaps.

So that's how they built pyramid spaceships

100%.

So what made them black?

DNA mutation?

Somewhere along the line that's where all races would've come from, yes. But the most likely chance is that there was another group of people from before then who moved to these remote and inhospitable regions of Africa long ago and developed along their own lines to make what we now understand as Blacks in West Africa. (The Capoids were another race that lived in the southern reachces of Africa but they no longer exist anymore.)

If the blacks are descandants of Hamites, they're pretty heavily mutated, as they are surprisingly different from the regions in East Africa where the Hamites traditionally lived.

What would make them become black? There's similar climates elsewhere and those people aren't black

So it couldn't be an adaptation

It could be, but it's more than just being black.

That is to say, while Congoloids are... very easily recognisable for their skin tone, they can also be set apart by the shape of their skull, certain muscle mass, there are even different levels of hormones between races.

Why would one become black and not the other?

It could easily be that, amongst many adaptations suited to Africa, them put together resulted in significantly darker skin.

It could also be that they just so happened to get this trait through mutation, and other groups didn't.

Australian aborigines, for example, have very similar skin colour, but are not African themselves and have different body compositions. All the same, they just so happen to share a skin tone.

It's for this reason that the British accidentally labelled them as a race that they're not, they're basically their own group that is distinct from others in the region.

Hmm

Makes sense

But I studied anthropology, which anyone here would say is a waste of time, not biology. If you want to know the specifics, I'd recommend you check with someone else, I'm not an expert and probably made some mistakes here.

In any case, hope I could've been of some use before being called away.

Alright man, see you around, it's been educational

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He had evidence that would lead to the arrest of Hillary

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Black people really hate albinos

She better not head to Africa, will end up being eaten.

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