Message from @Deleted User

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2018-06-08 23:29:29 UTC  

Which is a whole nother topic but it's silly and ridiculous

2018-06-08 23:29:46 UTC  

I respects Buddhists. I don't respect white people who call themselves Buddhists.

2018-06-08 23:30:49 UTC  

Except that the problem is that the most commonly accepted idea for where we got the name _China_ from, in any European language, is from the Qing Dynasty, which were actually Manchu, not Chinese.

2018-06-08 23:32:24 UTC  

The rulers were

2018-06-08 23:32:34 UTC  

But the majority has always been Han

2018-06-08 23:33:06 UTC  

Well, obviously, if a Manchurian comes in and conquers China, the people that the Manchurian rules over would be Chinese.

2018-06-08 23:33:20 UTC  

Yeah

2018-06-08 23:33:24 UTC  

But then you just conceded that there are in fact differences between the Han and the Manchu.

2018-06-08 23:33:33 UTC  

But in China there's more than one ethnic group

2018-06-08 23:34:02 UTC  

Visibly I can't tell the difference. My wife says she can't either. She's Han. But they did have their own separate culture

2018-06-08 23:34:21 UTC  

And on your ID it says what ethnicity you are

2018-06-08 23:34:56 UTC  

Many places in the US will label Mexicans as white, but white Mexican doesn't mean the same thing as white Finn.

2018-06-08 23:35:34 UTC  

If you are referring to the people that primarily occupy the region of modern China, and you want to call them Han, then that would be fine.

2018-06-08 23:35:52 UTC  

But the historical Han do not make up all ethnicities within China, and especially not in greater Asia.

2018-06-08 23:36:05 UTC  

I think you're getting my words mixed up

2018-06-08 23:36:21 UTC  

Then, please, do correct me. No sarcasm, I might be confusing myself.

2018-06-08 23:36:31 UTC  

What is it that you meant?

2018-06-08 23:38:07 UTC  

Han people are the original Orientals. All other Orientals came from them. Jin/Manchu, Hui, Miao, Zhuang, etc.

2018-06-08 23:38:17 UTC  

Not Russians

2018-06-08 23:38:19 UTC  

I am white and Puerto Rican. Not allowed to say I am Puerto Rican though because something something white privalge

2018-06-08 23:38:31 UTC  

Even though they are a minority group in China, just wanted to clarify

2018-06-08 23:38:38 UTC  

That's weird

2018-06-08 23:38:44 UTC  

But the Han are not, because the Han only come up as a term after the _Han Dynasty_.

2018-06-08 23:38:49 UTC  

How come half white and half black people get to say they're black

2018-06-08 23:38:53 UTC  

If you mean **Mongoloid**, that's something else.

2018-06-08 23:39:29 UTC  

I dunno what they called themselves before

2018-06-08 23:39:40 UTC  

It's not what China calls herself now.

2018-06-08 23:40:20 UTC  

China in the commonly accepted Chinese is _Zhongguo_.

2018-06-08 23:40:28 UTC  

I know. Middle country

2018-06-08 23:40:51 UTC  

中国人民

2018-06-08 23:40:56 UTC  

PRC

2018-06-08 23:41:09 UTC  

Okay, but then my point remains that the Han didn't exist far back enough to say that all Asians are descendant from them.

2018-06-08 23:41:54 UTC  

The word didn't. The DNA did

2018-06-08 23:42:01 UTC  

And it's generally believed, so far as I remember from school, perhaps new discoveries have been made into racial history, but the Asian "race", as loosely as you can define it, the Mongoloids, came form the Steppes, not where China is now.

2018-06-08 23:42:47 UTC  

Some of the minorities aren't even different in genetics, just in culture

2018-06-08 23:43:00 UTC  

Yeah you're right

2018-06-08 23:43:19 UTC  

But that was probably before they even looked like Asians

2018-06-08 23:44:33 UTC  

Perhaps, but I had to be autistically specific about this.

2018-06-08 23:44:45 UTC  

In any case, apologies for derailing you for so long.

2018-06-08 23:44:58 UTC  

Nah man you're good

2018-06-08 23:45:21 UTC  

I'm glad that we could be civil, in that case.