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2017-07-23 19:48:45 UTC

@Vonel is a new mod for the glorious French Theory, philosophy and all other good stuff!

2017-07-23 19:50:13 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/338769796957208588/freewifisfrktm10003.jpg

2017-07-23 19:51:01 UTC

Bienvenue aux petits François et Françoises, je suis content de pouvoir inaugurer la french_theory channel

2017-07-23 20:01:50 UTC

First

2017-07-23 20:03:25 UTC

second for china

2017-07-23 20:07:10 UTC

@Vonel mods have a degree of autonomy. So if you don't like English or anything else suite yourself and your beautiful community! Only you know what a hell is supposed to happen in here.

2017-07-25 18:52:01 UTC

Nous voulons plus de memes de Foucault

2017-07-25 18:53:07 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/339480203531386892/52.PNG

2017-07-25 18:53:26 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/339480282874904576/foucault_doom.jpg

2017-07-25 18:58:59 UTC

(mon français n'est pas bon, lol)

2017-07-25 19:14:25 UTC

I like Paris. Feels good tbh

2017-07-25 19:14:37 UTC

I sense a tad bit of racism here

2017-07-25 19:14:48 UTC

But yeah I like it too

2017-07-25 19:15:38 UTC

Much cooler than in USA with rednecks

2017-07-25 19:23:14 UTC

tbh when it comes to the US I'd rather visit the places in the country with the rednecks than some of our cities; though I've lived more-or-less in semi-country my entire life. But if I had the money to travel I'd certainly like to go see Paris.

2017-07-25 19:25:46 UTC

@AaronMk There are good people everywhere, it is true. At least black people in France feel like human. There is something about it in the vibes.

2017-07-25 19:27:35 UTC

I think Americans did slave trade for too long.

2017-07-25 19:27:43 UTC

Not good for them, lel.

2017-07-25 19:28:07 UTC

Now they have a problem.

2017-07-25 19:29:55 UTC

That and they fucked up handling the black population post-slavery. So it continued the relationship far beyond the actual conditions it developed under.

2017-07-25 19:30:10 UTC

@AaronMk right.

2017-07-25 19:31:29 UTC

Is of Lenin thought. Can a nation be free if it oppresses another nation?

2017-07-25 19:32:54 UTC

Can USA be free from slave-aftermath, Jihadist sponsoring aftermath, military-industrial complex aftermath, Imperial behavior? It can't. Is of bound.

2017-07-25 19:33:50 UTC

I think politicians in the USA underestimate the complexity of this world.

2017-07-25 19:33:57 UTC

Or do not think too far.

2017-07-25 19:36:10 UTC

@Rin @Deleted User Derailing of conversations is forbidden. Respect one another.

2017-07-25 19:36:47 UTC

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Rin#9212 has been warned.***

2017-07-25 19:37:19 UTC

*invisibile*

2017-08-04 05:41:49 UTC

you little hecker

2017-08-10 15:48:46 UTC

paris commune was faggery, juche is best ideology and everyone else can fuck off

2017-08-11 10:13:21 UTC

He's right.

2017-08-19 02:43:40 UTC

hard hitting theory

2017-08-21 13:43:35 UTC

Paris commune would have succeeded had Blanqui not been ill. Also they should have done as Louise Michel said and invade Versailles to kill Thiers.

2017-08-21 15:13:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/349209434796589058/Screenshot_2017-08-21-17-12-51.jpeg

2017-08-21 15:13:45 UTC

<:CosmicBrain:313800942904541184>

2017-08-23 02:03:17 UTC

I got baned in the channel @olev

2017-08-23 02:03:21 UTC

Come visit us bby

2017-08-23 02:03:24 UTC

Laterrrr

2017-08-23 02:03:29 UTC

15,000 lefttttt

2017-08-30 11:25:18 UTC

French theory.

2017-08-30 11:25:22 UTC

"Let's surrender!"

2017-08-31 16:07:14 UTC

pdtrrrr

2017-09-24 19:55:39 UTC

Pour sûr j’en aurai

marre

sans même attendre qu’elles prennent

les choses l’allure

d’un camembert bien fait



Alors je vous mettrai les pieds dans

le plat

ou bien tout simplement la main au collet

de tout ce qui m’emmerde

en gros caractères

c o l o n i s a t i o n

a s s i m i l a t i o n

et la suite



En attendant vous m’entendrez

souvent

claquer la porte

2017-09-24 19:55:46 UTC

💥

`Léon Gontran Damas`

2017-10-08 09:49:26 UTC

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***MaksTheBest#8933 was banned!***

2017-10-10 03:13:22 UTC

**__LE PLAN DU DISCORD__ :** ➡ https://goo.gl/SB3R2y
*Il faut cliquer sur le lien pour le voir en HD sur mobile* @everyone
Le Code QR c'est une invitation pour le serveur.
COPIER ÇA pour faire tourner la photo c'est un bon serveur 😉

2017-10-11 02:18:33 UTC

C'est quoi cette merde ?

2017-10-11 02:22:00 UTC

Marx lui-même n'était pas marxiste, et Lénine n'a rien compris et n'est absolument pas un modèle pour nous-autres communistes.

2017-10-13 01:15:29 UTC

Vive le Québec libre et socialiste.

2017-10-13 12:28:18 UTC

Marx n'était pas marxiste.

2017-10-13 12:28:21 UTC

Je note.

2017-10-13 18:26:01 UTC

Oui tu peux, il l'a dit à la fin de sa vie. Le marxisme c'est Marx lu par des abrutis.

2017-10-14 12:20:40 UTC

Ptdr "Lénine n'a rien compris"

2017-10-15 20:40:42 UTC

Ah d'accord, en fait y'a que du coté français que c'est rempli d'abrutis.

2017-10-15 20:41:32 UTC

Probablement full petit bourgeois blanc qui se revendique bien-entendu anti-raciste, anti-fasciste, féministe, et ma bite en pain d'épice..

2017-10-16 09:16:29 UTC

Tu me fais rire

2017-10-16 09:22:07 UTC

T'as l'air d'être le genre de gars à dire "c'était pas du vrai socialisme"

2017-10-16 09:24:34 UTC

Je suppose que t'es une sorte de marxiste orthodoxe

2017-10-19 18:03:42 UTC

Marx était un juif cousin de Rotchild, c'est rigolo on peut être juif, bourgeois et dire des trucs intelligents

2017-10-25 19:03:08 UTC

J'adore communisme

2017-10-25 19:03:38 UTC

Mon pere deteste le communisme

2017-10-25 19:04:48 UTC

Mon famile est le meilleur communisme mais mon pere

2017-10-25 19:04:52 UTC

Une croissant

2017-10-25 19:05:41 UTC

La classe ouvrière

2017-10-25 19:05:52 UTC

Une femme

2017-10-25 19:06:27 UTC

Ma fille est ma esclave sexuel

2017-10-25 19:07:15 UTC

gay est merde

2017-10-25 19:08:07 UTC

Je suis une petit femme

2017-10-25 20:40:12 UTC

L’Association pour Ligue d'Action Etudiante (LAE) est un syndicat étudiant fondé en 2017 . Elle dispose de membre partout en France (DROM inclus). Notre syndicat rassemble ses membres autour des valeurs de la Droite Conservatrice et Patriotes.

Nous souhaitons combattre le Denis de notre Nation et de nous même car la France est grande est fière. Fiere d'Etre une Nation européenne et mondial. Fière d'un passé glorieux. Et c'est à vous de le faire perdurer en rejoignant la LAE.

Nos mettre mots sont : Liberté-Équité-Combativité.

https://discord.gg/9BtSNdq

N'oubliez pas : Oui Nide Iou @everyone

2017-10-27 14:49:03 UTC

Classe est moin important que race 😉

2017-10-28 15:53:00 UTC

@everyone song request saturday https://www.twitch.tv/bright_tv

2017-10-28 15:53:05 UTC

Kill him

2017-11-11 20:18:37 UTC

Does the french theory involve surrendering?

2017-11-11 21:27:29 UTC

So I guess basically like Bordiga and leftcoms.

2017-11-11 21:27:40 UTC

<:armchair:344434978656092161>

2017-12-23 02:23:52 UTC

Theory: Mass murder everyone and still look good in theory while you never ever ever work in action nor can.

2017-12-29 12:14:28 UTC

@Deleted User , the french meme of surrendering is just propaganda to cull the french. historicly they tend to just fight to the death staying in pointless situations

2018-01-04 19:00:47 UTC

^ and so do the italians mamma mìa americano pleasa believe me

2018-01-11 04:33:34 UTC

Baguette

2018-01-11 04:33:51 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/400869898840047616/image.jpg

2018-02-21 01:19:39 UTC

lol

2018-02-21 15:00:40 UTC

Must suck being in France.

2018-02-21 15:00:56 UTC

Knowing you lost all the wars, Country taken over by muslims....

2018-02-21 21:12:57 UTC

your profile pic is fucking EDGY man

2018-02-21 21:13:02 UTC

creepy cracker

2018-02-21 21:13:08 UTC

you certainly are a cracker

2018-02-23 09:01:02 UTC

Whats wrong with drunk samurai bro

2018-02-23 09:01:09 UTC

are you a racist bro

2018-02-23 09:01:45 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/416519996156411904/30306_700b.jpg

2018-02-25 23:24:56 UTC

les trolls ici c'est pas possible

2018-02-25 23:31:10 UTC

oui

2018-03-02 14:53:29 UTC

ça tient la route ?

2018-03-02 14:53:29 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/419145226549198859/GLASS_OF_JUICE.png

2018-03-14 21:42:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/423596775048478729/france_gives_up.PNG

2018-03-14 21:42:39 UTC

ohhh please

2018-03-14 22:07:55 UTC

XD

2018-03-18 07:41:39 UTC

^
^

2018-03-31 00:28:22 UTC

Putain

2018-04-25 02:43:10 UTC

What's an up?

2018-05-31 16:03:43 UTC

Russia: *gets invaded out of nowhere with no plans or leadership and survives*
France: *gets invaded after careful planning and massive defensive initiatives, falls in a month*

2018-05-31 16:03:56 UTC

france built a massive fuck-off wall to repel invasion

2018-05-31 16:05:17 UTC

...but didn’t think about fortifying much up to the Channel.

2018-05-31 16:05:48 UTC

Hell, they even left the Ardennes practically undefended.

2018-05-31 16:07:15 UTC

Gave the Jerries a fuckin’ Welcome Mat to France there.

2018-06-20 23:32:53 UTC

quand chui venu je savais qu'il y aller avoir des connerie sur hitler, mais pas à ce point, mon dieu pas à ce point

2018-07-22 18:51:10 UTC

Je mappele bueno

2018-07-22 18:51:49 UTC

@DA GOMMIE JOO thats why I admire russia for that reason.

2018-07-22 18:52:04 UTC

True anti imperialist badasses

2018-07-22 18:52:12 UTC

Pity they fucked themselves over

2018-07-22 18:52:31 UTC

with the current state of russia and the ussr.

2018-07-22 18:53:43 UTC

Although I kind of like Putin aswell as dislike him.

2018-07-22 18:54:02 UTC

I guess Im neutral on him for the most part.

2018-08-06 01:59:38 UTC

Que de la merde se serveur j'ai perdu mon temps fucking time

2018-08-17 11:13:02 UTC

baguette héhé

2018-09-12 14:02:31 UTC

anyone here like baudrillard

2018-09-12 15:06:02 UTC

clouscard ftw

2018-09-12 15:11:07 UTC

@nagarjuna baudrillard is based

2018-09-12 15:11:37 UTC

damn dude glad to hear it. clouscard seems legit you just pointed him out to me

2018-09-12 15:12:16 UTC

I'd recommend reading *The Capitalism of Seduction* if you haven't, it's his one work of note

2018-09-12 15:12:39 UTC

A critique of the neoliberal system born from Mai 68

2018-09-12 15:15:44 UTC

that's pretty chill dude, as you know JB wrote about seduction

2018-09-12 15:15:50 UTC

sounds like there is an OG here

2018-09-12 15:18:16 UTC

this is a nice little intro

2018-09-12 15:19:07 UTC

oh cool. can you find TCoS online? I had trouble

2018-09-12 15:21:20 UTC

Idk

2018-09-12 15:21:29 UTC

It's in 2 volumes

2018-09-12 15:21:33 UTC

word. oh wow

2018-09-12 15:22:07 UTC

ok i found it

2018-09-12 15:22:08 UTC

but

2018-09-12 15:22:14 UTC

do you understand french

2018-09-12 15:22:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/489455794266570782/le_capitalisme_de_la_seduction_-_michel_clouscard.pdf

2018-09-12 15:23:50 UTC

hahaha

2018-09-12 15:23:52 UTC

no sir

2018-09-12 15:23:57 UTC

I should I guess, only german

2018-09-12 15:25:31 UTC

rip

2018-09-12 15:25:37 UTC

clouscard is really not known at all

2018-09-12 15:25:55 UTC

There might be an english translation, but a free pdf is pushing it

2018-09-12 15:26:15 UTC

word ill check the libraries

2018-09-12 15:26:25 UTC

cheers

2018-09-12 15:28:36 UTC

five sure. also check out comments on society of the spectacle if you haven't yet I love that one

2018-09-12 15:29:22 UTC

Situationism feels a lot like intellectual jerk-off to me

2018-09-12 15:32:14 UTC

And it also contributed to the conversion of pre-1970s capitalism into global liberalism

2018-09-12 15:32:59 UTC

thats definitely not wrong, but I think the comments are way better than the original book

2018-09-12 15:33:16 UTC

and from the original, I love the phrase on page one: "the liar has lied to himself" very strong image to me

2018-09-12 15:33:48 UTC

I like to compare it to descartes evil demon, and i think-> instead of thinking the demon is tricking you, what if you are the demon, tricking yourself?

2018-09-12 15:33:54 UTC

I love this idea so much

2018-09-12 16:09:03 UTC

Well, actually, I found an article Clouscard wrote on Baudrillard

2018-09-12 16:09:07 UTC

French though

2018-09-12 16:10:05 UTC

Je mappele gay

2018-09-12 16:10:12 UTC

Wait no

2018-09-12 16:12:17 UTC

@nagarjuna Even if that article is mostly yet another critique of Baudrillard

2018-09-12 16:14:00 UTC

@DOLBATIC that looks awesome I'm just an insufferable JB sycophant because I haven't read more haha. His writing is super contradictory so the parts I like are contradicted by other parts haha. My aim isn't to rep him so much as bring him up because that's where my thoughts are, wanna move forward

2018-09-12 16:14:40 UTC

I see JB kind of in the skeptical tradition, which I really enjoy. The problem of how to apply skepticism politically is the huge problem but one I want to confront

2018-09-12 16:14:48 UTC

He's seeing Baudrillard as the quintessence of modern bourgeois thought, which he claims no longer ignores class struggle (as in the case of Valéry and Alain) but simply recuses it without refuting it

2018-09-12 16:15:16 UTC

"hypocritical innocence"

2018-09-12 16:15:55 UTC

Baudrillard, to him, is a good example of the transition of the Zeitgeist ever since the 1968 "Libération"

2018-09-12 16:16:23 UTC

Which would be a gnoseological regression

2018-09-12 16:18:47 UTC

His main point is that Sartre, who accepts class struggle but encloses it into intellectual bourgeois leftism, is at the source of this transition

2018-09-12 16:19:41 UTC

Prioiritizing the transcendental ego over class struggle

2018-09-12 16:20:04 UTC

Yes I think that's a common view. Baudrillard visited Japan one time and people there said "we don't need you anymore because your thought is just how things are now"

2018-09-12 16:20:42 UTC

I would be interested to see if he defends his concept of class struggle

2018-09-12 16:25:30 UTC

The second stepof that transition is then structuralism which goes around the dialectical process of history

2018-09-12 16:27:01 UTC

Third step of the pretense of Marxism to actually combat dialectical materialism: the infamous Freudo-Marxists (e.g. Marcuse), the fusion of two dogmatic deviations, the repressive State and the father figure

2018-09-12 16:28:31 UTC

Thus, the middle classes (those of capitalist State monopolization) can still only fight dialectical materialism *in the name of Marxism and knowledge*

2018-09-12 16:30:17 UTC

Claiming to be repressed by the old bourgeoisie, these new classes give birth to "the market of desire"

2018-09-12 16:32:13 UTC

It is now possible to liquidate Marxism and replace with bourgeois intellectual identitarian leftism, through the fourth step of this process: the appearance of the "new philosophers"

2018-09-12 16:33:01 UTC

Now it is no longer its deviations but Marxism itself which is condemned

2018-09-12 16:33:51 UTC

Liberalism has succeeded in equating Marxism and fascism

2018-09-12 16:34:09 UTC

Now Baudrillard, the child of this intellectual evolution, comes into play

2018-09-12 16:35:11 UTC

Baudrillard's scepticism is seen by Clouscard as a worldly practice without end

2018-09-12 16:35:37 UTC

Behind the denunciation of seduction, there is simply profound assent

2018-09-12 16:36:52 UTC

This philosophical renouncement expresses the victory of the new middle classes, in the new Zeitgeist of the cultural worldly "leftist"

2018-09-12 16:37:44 UTC

A "bon chic bon genre" thought which leads to stagnation

2018-09-12 16:37:57 UTC

I'm curious how this plays in the marxs idea that capitalism leads to communism. I mean negating capitalism is the same as completing the project of capitalism for Marx, no?

2018-09-12 16:38:49 UTC

And then what is clouscard saying we should be doing, what does class struggle look like in these updated conditions? I'll read both those articles tho five sure

2018-09-12 16:39:52 UTC

His ideas for action are explained at the end of the first link i sent you

2018-09-12 16:40:58 UTC

The *praxis* must be adapted to the new modalities of capitalism (avoiding both Classical Marxist orthodoxy and the reformism adopted by the PCF in the late 20th c.)

2018-09-12 16:45:44 UTC

Reformism being the transition into social democracy (and frankly, liberalism) the PCF engaged into, following the PS

2018-09-12 16:50:35 UTC

Capitalism, ironically, by liberalizing, has become more totalitarian, it is therefore necessary for class consciousness to be augmented by consciousness of this neoliberal new form of capitalism

2018-09-12 17:09:43 UTC

So I read the two articles, translated the one on Baudrillard. Found a way to translate PDFs also but not large ones, sad face. I guess I can split it into sections

2018-09-12 17:10:12 UTC

I do agree with the section of the first piece where it is written that Clouscard thinks we need "collective destiny," I think this is a very good starting point

2018-09-12 17:11:23 UTC

It's interesting how he thinks the national is now important to defend when it's being overcome by transnational capitalism. I can see that, I do agree that a good transnational movement will likely work its way through the various nations (although it working through other nations will be something that will be recognized within each national process)

2018-09-12 17:13:27 UTC

Still, his positive program is not very clear, probably it is outlined in his book

2018-09-12 17:14:12 UTC

i.e. his idea of class struggle is not clarified, it's clear he wants to update Marx in some ways and remain faithful in others, but it's not specific about which parts to leave and which to take

2018-09-12 17:14:45 UTC

How did you translate?

2018-09-12 17:21:28 UTC

Google translate

2018-09-12 17:21:44 UTC

the book pdf is too big though, but I got the article about Baudrillard

2018-09-12 17:22:29 UTC

I can also read the french wikipedia page on clouscard, it's longer than the one in english

2018-09-12 17:22:50 UTC

Yikes

2018-09-12 17:23:58 UTC

haha

2018-09-12 17:25:23 UTC

One idea I do have is whether Clouscard would think it important to point out how intelligence agencies have dominated society. Baudrillard doesn't talk about stuff like that but I think it's very important. Although there's also the question of how exactly the civilian gov't, military (and intel), and corporations interact, that could be the kind of thing Clouscard means by understanding the front of class struggle today

2018-09-14 17:01:23 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/490205437912940554/bonjour.gif

2018-10-11 06:48:30 UTC

Tabarnak d’osti

2018-10-11 06:50:13 UTC

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2018-10-13 15:44:29 UTC

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2018-10-13 18:45:59 UTC

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2018-10-23 07:49:38 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/504199710320361504/image0.jpg

2018-10-25 07:46:58 UTC

I mean

2018-10-25 07:47:13 UTC

pretty much every historian despises Stéphane Courtois

2018-10-25 07:47:21 UTC

and it's mutual

2018-10-25 07:47:29 UTC

he claims to prefer memory over history

2018-10-25 07:54:32 UTC

Hon hon hon

2018-11-14 11:03:37 UTC
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