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@Vonel is a new mod for the glorious French Theory, philosophy and all other good stuff!
Bienvenue aux petits François et Françoises, je suis content de pouvoir inaugurer la french_theory channel
second for china
@Vonel mods have a degree of autonomy. So if you don't like English or anything else suite yourself and your beautiful community! Only you know what a hell is supposed to happen in here.
Nous voulons plus de memes de Foucault
(mon français n'est pas bon, lol)
I like Paris. Feels good tbh
I sense a tad bit of racism here
But yeah I like it too
Much cooler than in USA with rednecks
tbh when it comes to the US I'd rather visit the places in the country with the rednecks than some of our cities; though I've lived more-or-less in semi-country my entire life. But if I had the money to travel I'd certainly like to go see Paris.
@AaronMk There are good people everywhere, it is true. At least black people in France feel like human. There is something about it in the vibes.
I think Americans did slave trade for too long.
Not good for them, lel.
Now they have a problem.
That and they fucked up handling the black population post-slavery. So it continued the relationship far beyond the actual conditions it developed under.
Is of Lenin thought. Can a nation be free if it oppresses another nation?
Can USA be free from slave-aftermath, Jihadist sponsoring aftermath, military-industrial complex aftermath, Imperial behavior? It can't. Is of bound.
I think politicians in the USA underestimate the complexity of this world.
Or do not think too far.
<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Rin#9212 has been warned.***
you little hecker
paris commune was faggery, juche is best ideology and everyone else can fuck off
hard hitting theory
Paris commune would have succeeded had Blanqui not been ill. Also they should have done as Louise Michel said and invade Versailles to kill Thiers.
Come visit us bby
Pour sûr j’en aurai
sans même attendre qu’elles prennent
les choses l’allure
d’un camembert bien fait
Alors je vous mettrai les pieds dans
ou bien tout simplement la main au collet
de tout ce qui m’emmerde
en gros caractères
c o l o n i s a t i o n
a s s i m i l a t i o n
et la suite
En attendant vous m’entendrez
claquer la porte
`Léon Gontran Damas`
<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***MaksTheBest#8933 was banned!***
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Le Code QR c'est une invitation pour le serveur.
COPIER ÇA pour faire tourner la photo c'est un bon serveur 😉
C'est quoi cette merde ?
Marx lui-même n'était pas marxiste, et Lénine n'a rien compris et n'est absolument pas un modèle pour nous-autres communistes.
Vive le Québec libre et socialiste.
Marx n'était pas marxiste.
Oui tu peux, il l'a dit à la fin de sa vie. Le marxisme c'est Marx lu par des abrutis.
Ptdr "Lénine n'a rien compris"
Ah d'accord, en fait y'a que du coté français que c'est rempli d'abrutis.
Probablement full petit bourgeois blanc qui se revendique bien-entendu anti-raciste, anti-fasciste, féministe, et ma bite en pain d'épice..
Tu me fais rire
T'as l'air d'être le genre de gars à dire "c'était pas du vrai socialisme"
Je suppose que t'es une sorte de marxiste orthodoxe
Marx était un juif cousin de Rotchild, c'est rigolo on peut être juif, bourgeois et dire des trucs intelligents
Mon pere deteste le communisme
Mon famile est le meilleur communisme mais mon pere
La classe ouvrière
Ma fille est ma esclave sexuel
gay est merde
Je suis une petit femme
L’Association pour Ligue d'Action Etudiante (LAE) est un syndicat étudiant fondé en 2017 . Elle dispose de membre partout en France (DROM inclus). Notre syndicat rassemble ses membres autour des valeurs de la Droite Conservatrice et Patriotes.
Nous souhaitons combattre le Denis de notre Nation et de nous même car la France est grande est fière. Fiere d'Etre une Nation européenne et mondial. Fière d'un passé glorieux. Et c'est à vous de le faire perdurer en rejoignant la LAE.
Nos mettre mots sont : Liberté-Équité-Combativité.
N'oubliez pas : Oui Nide Iou @everyone
Classe est moin important que race 😉
@everyone song request saturday https://www.twitch.tv/bright_tv
Does the french theory involve surrendering?
So I guess basically like Bordiga and leftcoms.
Theory: Mass murder everyone and still look good in theory while you never ever ever work in action nor can.
@Deleted User , the french meme of surrendering is just propaganda to cull the french. historicly they tend to just fight to the death staying in pointless situations
^ and so do the italians mamma mìa americano pleasa believe me
Must suck being in France.
Knowing you lost all the wars, Country taken over by muslims....
your profile pic is fucking EDGY man
you certainly are a cracker
Whats wrong with drunk samurai bro
are you a racist bro
les trolls ici c'est pas possible
ça tient la route ?
What's an up?
Russia: *gets invaded out of nowhere with no plans or leadership and survives*
France: *gets invaded after careful planning and massive defensive initiatives, falls in a month*
france built a massive fuck-off wall to repel invasion
...but didn’t think about fortifying much up to the Channel.
Hell, they even left the Ardennes practically undefended.
Gave the Jerries a fuckin’ Welcome Mat to France there.
quand chui venu je savais qu'il y aller avoir des connerie sur hitler, mais pas à ce point, mon dieu pas à ce point
Je mappele bueno
True anti imperialist badasses
Pity they fucked themselves over
with the current state of russia and the ussr.
Although I kind of like Putin aswell as dislike him.
I guess Im neutral on him for the most part.
Que de la merde se serveur j'ai perdu mon temps fucking time
anyone here like baudrillard
damn dude glad to hear it. clouscard seems legit you just pointed him out to me
I'd recommend reading *The Capitalism of Seduction* if you haven't, it's his one work of note
A critique of the neoliberal system born from Mai 68
that's pretty chill dude, as you know JB wrote about seduction
sounds like there is an OG here
this is a nice little intro
oh cool. can you find TCoS online? I had trouble
It's in 2 volumes
word. oh wow
ok i found it
do you understand french
I should I guess, only german
clouscard is really not known at all
There might be an english translation, but a free pdf is pushing it
word ill check the libraries
five sure. also check out comments on society of the spectacle if you haven't yet I love that one
Situationism feels a lot like intellectual jerk-off to me
And it also contributed to the conversion of pre-1970s capitalism into global liberalism
thats definitely not wrong, but I think the comments are way better than the original book
and from the original, I love the phrase on page one: "the liar has lied to himself" very strong image to me
I like to compare it to descartes evil demon, and i think-> instead of thinking the demon is tricking you, what if you are the demon, tricking yourself?
I love this idea so much
Well, actually, I found an article Clouscard wrote on Baudrillard
Je mappele gay
@nagarjuna Even if that article is mostly yet another critique of Baudrillard
@DOLBATIC that looks awesome I'm just an insufferable JB sycophant because I haven't read more haha. His writing is super contradictory so the parts I like are contradicted by other parts haha. My aim isn't to rep him so much as bring him up because that's where my thoughts are, wanna move forward
I see JB kind of in the skeptical tradition, which I really enjoy. The problem of how to apply skepticism politically is the huge problem but one I want to confront
He's seeing Baudrillard as the quintessence of modern bourgeois thought, which he claims no longer ignores class struggle (as in the case of Valéry and Alain) but simply recuses it without refuting it
Baudrillard, to him, is a good example of the transition of the Zeitgeist ever since the 1968 "Libération"
Which would be a gnoseological regression
His main point is that Sartre, who accepts class struggle but encloses it into intellectual bourgeois leftism, is at the source of this transition
Prioiritizing the transcendental ego over class struggle
Yes I think that's a common view. Baudrillard visited Japan one time and people there said "we don't need you anymore because your thought is just how things are now"
I would be interested to see if he defends his concept of class struggle
The second stepof that transition is then structuralism which goes around the dialectical process of history
Third step of the pretense of Marxism to actually combat dialectical materialism: the infamous Freudo-Marxists (e.g. Marcuse), the fusion of two dogmatic deviations, the repressive State and the father figure
Thus, the middle classes (those of capitalist State monopolization) can still only fight dialectical materialism *in the name of Marxism and knowledge*
Claiming to be repressed by the old bourgeoisie, these new classes give birth to "the market of desire"
It is now possible to liquidate Marxism and replace with bourgeois intellectual identitarian leftism, through the fourth step of this process: the appearance of the "new philosophers"
Now it is no longer its deviations but Marxism itself which is condemned
Liberalism has succeeded in equating Marxism and fascism
Now Baudrillard, the child of this intellectual evolution, comes into play
Baudrillard's scepticism is seen by Clouscard as a worldly practice without end
Behind the denunciation of seduction, there is simply profound assent
This philosophical renouncement expresses the victory of the new middle classes, in the new Zeitgeist of the cultural worldly "leftist"
A "bon chic bon genre" thought which leads to stagnation
I'm curious how this plays in the marxs idea that capitalism leads to communism. I mean negating capitalism is the same as completing the project of capitalism for Marx, no?
And then what is clouscard saying we should be doing, what does class struggle look like in these updated conditions? I'll read both those articles tho five sure
His ideas for action are explained at the end of the first link i sent you
The *praxis* must be adapted to the new modalities of capitalism (avoiding both Classical Marxist orthodoxy and the reformism adopted by the PCF in the late 20th c.)
Reformism being the transition into social democracy (and frankly, liberalism) the PCF engaged into, following the PS
Capitalism, ironically, by liberalizing, has become more totalitarian, it is therefore necessary for class consciousness to be augmented by consciousness of this neoliberal new form of capitalism
So I read the two articles, translated the one on Baudrillard. Found a way to translate PDFs also but not large ones, sad face. I guess I can split it into sections
I do agree with the section of the first piece where it is written that Clouscard thinks we need "collective destiny," I think this is a very good starting point
It's interesting how he thinks the national is now important to defend when it's being overcome by transnational capitalism. I can see that, I do agree that a good transnational movement will likely work its way through the various nations (although it working through other nations will be something that will be recognized within each national process)
Still, his positive program is not very clear, probably it is outlined in his book
i.e. his idea of class struggle is not clarified, it's clear he wants to update Marx in some ways and remain faithful in others, but it's not specific about which parts to leave and which to take
How did you translate?
the book pdf is too big though, but I got the article about Baudrillard
I can also read the french wikipedia page on clouscard, it's longer than the one in english
One idea I do have is whether Clouscard would think it important to point out how intelligence agencies have dominated society. Baudrillard doesn't talk about stuff like that but I think it's very important. Although there's also the question of how exactly the civilian gov't, military (and intel), and corporations interact, that could be the kind of thing Clouscard means by understanding the front of class struggle today
pretty much every historian despises Stéphane Courtois
and it's mutual
he claims to prefer memory over history
Hon hon hon
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