Message from @post-ironic username

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2017-06-16 01:26:22 UTC  

couldn't you incorporate it into school education then

2017-06-16 01:26:43 UTC  

Yes.

2017-06-16 01:27:09 UTC  

that's 12 years

2017-06-16 01:27:22 UTC  

or however long you want

2017-06-16 01:27:34 UTC  

Not enough in this age.

2017-06-16 01:28:19 UTC  

This age person is not developed completely to work like that with abstractions.

2017-06-16 01:28:30 UTC  

If it is possible it should be done.

2017-06-16 01:29:09 UTC  

proof?

2017-06-16 01:29:22 UTC  

i thought abstract thinking develops around age 12 or so

2017-06-16 01:30:06 UTC  

I thought around zero percent of people been inventive at that age.

2017-06-16 01:31:11 UTC  

there are quite a few young inventors. in fact, that's when people start being inventive, although at that age they don't have the economic means to do anything with those ideas.

2017-06-16 01:31:39 UTC  

They have zero experience with inventions and stuff.

2017-06-16 01:31:54 UTC  

Zero experience, no brain developed.

2017-06-16 01:32:12 UTC  

Worst candidate to participate in elections.

2017-06-16 01:32:17 UTC  

that's when they start learning though, and are able to grasp those kind of concepts.

2017-06-16 01:32:24 UTC  

obviously i don't think 12 year olds should vote

2017-06-16 01:32:41 UTC  

but i don't think you have to be 30 years old or something to understand marxism either.

2017-06-16 01:32:50 UTC  

Most people do not grow up even.

2017-06-16 01:32:56 UTC  

proof?

2017-06-16 01:33:23 UTC  

Discord is a proof.

2017-06-16 01:33:29 UTC  

lol no but seriously

2017-06-16 01:33:34 UTC  

Most of people here.

2017-06-16 01:33:48 UTC  

^

2017-06-16 01:34:15 UTC  

like im pretty sure unless you're diseased

2017-06-16 01:34:26 UTC  

you will reach the formal-operational stage of cognitive development

2017-06-16 01:34:44 UTC  

Operational stage to do what? What is the operation?

2017-06-16 01:35:11 UTC  

The final stage is known as the formal operational stage (adolescence and into adulthood, roughly ages 11 to approximately 15–20): Intelligence is demonstrated through the logical use of symbols related to abstract concepts. This form of thought includes "assumptions that have no necessary relation to reality."[43] At this point, the person is capable of hypothetical and deductive reasoning. During this time, people develop the ability to think about abstract concepts.

Piaget stated that "hypothetico-deductive reasoning" becomes important during the formal operational stage. This type of thinking involves hypothetical "what-if" situations that are not always rooted in reality, i.e. counterfactual thinking. It is often required in science and mathematics.

Abstract thought emerges during the formal operational stage. Children tend to think very concretely and specifically in earlier stages, and begin to consider possible outcomes and consequences of actions.
Metacognition, the capacity for "thinking about thinking" that allows adolescents and adults to reason about their thought processes and monitor them.[44]
Problem-solving is demonstrated when children use trial-and-error to solve problems. The ability to systematically solve a problem in a logical and methodical way emerges.

While children in primary school years mostly used inductive reasoning, drawing general conclusions from personal experiences and specific facts, adolescents become capable of deductive reasoning, in which they draw specific conclusions from abstract concepts using logic. This capability results from their capacity to think hypothetically.[45]

2017-06-16 01:35:34 UTC  

I've asked your opinion not wiki

2017-06-16 01:36:09 UTC  

i mean my opinion is essentially that wiki snippet

2017-06-16 01:36:23 UTC  

What is it? I don't read junk.

2017-06-16 01:36:34 UTC  

I just hide it

2017-06-16 01:36:35 UTC  

i think my opinions on psychology align with the established doctrine

2017-06-16 01:36:45 UTC  

it's piaget's final stage of cognitive development

2017-06-16 01:36:59 UTC  

it's called the "formal-operational stage"

2017-06-16 01:37:23 UTC  

people who reach this stage think hypothetically, and use deductive reasoning, they can understand abstract concepts

2017-06-16 01:37:30 UTC  

like the ones required for marxism

2017-06-16 01:37:40 UTC  

"However, research has shown that not all persons in all cultures reach formal operations, and most people do not use formal operations in all aspects of their lives".[46]

2017-06-16 01:37:51 UTC  

it says here that development can not be reached based on cultural factors

2017-06-16 01:37:58 UTC  

which means we need to educate for people to reach this stage

2017-06-16 01:38:11 UTC  

maybe people raised under capitalism often don't reach it

2017-06-16 01:38:15 UTC  

but we can fix that