In socialism the government, yes.

So they could fire the owner if they wanted too?

Or make the place smaller?

@Aidan xD Yes, manager can change things in business but it must conform to the national social Plan.

There are managers above him who manage on street level/ city level/ region/ country

Oh

Can you tell me how the public could change stuff

@Firefly

you play roblox unironically

you cannot be helped

there is saving you

It depends on actual system implemented. There are possibilities. Some propose absolutely democratic system, some propose authoritarian, some propose a mix. Right now if we speak about more democratic system we think about direct democracy where you can vote on all issues online.

Is of something like extended Switzerland voting system.

Would all manufacturing and banking businesses be government owned?

@Aidan xD yes

Wait so like the people could vote on a bill

Like DACA or something

yep

That’s pretty nice

Would there be Congress people?

Representatives?

It depends. I'm in favor of a mix of authority, representatives and direct democracy. I understand not everyone is capable of their own decision making.

The system must promote direct democracy.

But people also can have an option of representatives.

Which is outdated but necessary evil.

Would there be billionaires and millionaires in a communist system?

nope

Some people might have a greater power or income is socialist system.

But not billions.

Oh

Some propose making tech and scientists millionaires. But they must not have the right to own private property or exploit.

Is it true that I’m too young for politics I’m 13

I like politics rho

Tho*

You are never young to start thinking for yourself. Most people never do it in 20s, 30s, 40s or ever.

Ok

I’m scared to tell people I like communism

You are safe here.

kys roblox fag and firefly fag

@Aidan xD there are books like https://www.amazon.com/Young-Atheists-Survival-Guide-Students-ebook/dp/B00AB0XK2Y

I go to a catholic school

But I’m starting to doubt all this religion stuff

I go to a catholic college and I'm an Agnostic

My school is infested with conservatives and trump supporters too

@Aidan xD Stalin went to Orthodox school. I was a Buddhist before Materialism kicked in.

Oh

Death before communism

how would people write laws in a direct democracy? @Firefly

Leftypol can be a confusing place sometimes

Would the people make it?

@Aidan xD yes. Group of specialist or any citizen can write a law.

how would they get it out there tho

for people to vote on it

Accepting or adjusting the law after vote.

ik but if anyone could right a law

there would be so much

and a lot of them would barely get votes

or people might not even know about it

@Aidan xD right now many countries have a vote to initiate a law vote. If 100k people sign the petition and support your law on the designated website the official voting process may begin.

@Aidan xD that is true.

oh

But also some people will know about it and if they like it they might initiate a law vote for general public.

In this system is hard to get it started. But any law that is really needed people will find out about.

so in communism,

everyone would be middle class

@Aidan xD It depends on the socialist country. Rich country may afford that. Poor country won't.

India or Brazil for example simply can't afford it.

how would everyone be middle class

what about people who refuse to work

and stuff

In USSR we had a law against lazy. If you don't work for long time you have to serve a hard labour sentence for a week. If that didn't help, you get another sentence for a month or two month or you can go to prison where you will be made to work.

what if they can't find a job

@Aidan xD The job is given to you in socialist system.

how

sorry if I am asking too much questions, I am a curious guy

Basically the state assigns you a working position based on the skills you present growing up

Socialist system does not need unemployment to work. Capitalist system lowers the wage of workers by a small % of unemployment. Socialist system always needs people. It was 0% unemployment rate in USSR.

wait w0t

I'm still confused

so the unemployed people were employed because of them working in prison?

Yep

Usually it took a month of hard labour for them to find a better job.

There are always positions to fill, the problem in a capitalist society is that many people simply wont hire for them

like what kind of jobs

and what are your thoughts on communism being always violent EX: USSR

@Aidan xD Like cutting wood in Siberia.

Well for starters we have a heavy decline of factory workers atm

@Aidan xD everyone always violent. Capitalists are violent, socialist and communist too.

That was one of Trump's big promises, bring back factory jobs. That turned out to be a massive lie though lol

if communism came to the usa,

would companies like apple or Microsoft be government owned

@Deleted User @Firefly

@Aidan xD yes.

what

More or less yeah

so the ceo's would loose their jobs?

Depends

@Aidan xD CEO is not a job is an ownership title. Managers do not loose the job. Owners do.

so the owners would loose their jobs?

gg

all that hard work for nothing tho

If they want they can qualify to become managers.

WIth a much smaller pay.

Manager earns according to the work he does, owner doesn't.

Owner earns more than a manager doing the same thing.

so ALL businesses under communism would be government owned?

@Firefly @Deleted User

@Aidan xD socialism provides a wide variety of possibilities for mixed economy.

Some propose government and private mix. Some propose a little private presence and some propose none.

@Aidan xD Communism is an absence of the private ownership.

You must differentiate communism and socialism.

damn reds

@Firefly What's the difference between personal and private property?

private sounds scarier

@Deleted User you can't extract juices of someones labour from personal property.

@Firefly Yes, yes you can, unless tools like shovels, drills, and hammers become private property by your definition.

Yes, if they do it they become private.

I guess no more house rennovating for whitey.

yeah lets all live in tipis

@Firefly Do you happen to follow pol pot?

You can hire someone for renovation.

You can't land your tools to get benefit from renovation.

How do I land a tool?

You give a shovel and ask for 10$ a day.

That is when you rent something out to somebody, there is really nothing bad with that either.

@Firefly Do you not know what a rent is?

@Deleted User Also if you have tools and have workers that have to give you share for that tools to work on renovation is making tools a private property.

@Firefly What? I cannot get what you are trying to say because your grammar is so shit.

You can hire workers with their own tools and that tools will not be a private property.

But you get the tools from people who supplied them to you in exchange for currency, be it gold, silver, or bank notes, meaning that the tools themselves would be produced and supplied privately, and really, there is nothing wrong with that.

Infact, the US actually used gold as a currency, up until roosevelt STOLE it all.

@Deleted User it would be true outside of USSR. In USSR tools would be supplied by the government.

but what if

there isnt

@Firefly That explains so much.

who wouldnt defend papa stalin

and good old uncle hitler

grandad otto is dead

@Firefly That really does explain why soviet cars would fall apart and randomly explode, why their guns were so shit, and why they all had raggidy ass clothing, even before the war.

yeah but he died a lot more recently

yeah

1899 i think

@Shwiani Is that bismarck?

gtg fools

Noice.

@Firefly How convienent for you.

also hitler did the world war 2 fun times

also alot more famous

when you say "think of a german leader" to some random guy on the street they'll probs say hitler

yep

thank you

@Shwiani **Glory to prussia.**

note the word famous war

cus its **famous**

with bolded letters

*and how do you know that good sir*

i hate that little fuck

he invaded me 4 times

four fucking times

only played two or three

bismarck was in every one of them

@DICK KICKEM 422 There is more to it than that!

and in every one of them he was an asshole

@DICK KICKEM 422 In civ 7 himmler is going to lead germany.

@Shwiani Shut up.

yeah

i think he was in civ 2

didnt play much civ 2 though

i remember my civ 2 playthrough

i accidently conquered like 4 cities

cus all the cities had no units stationed in them so i just walked in

i was confused why i just absorbed them so i just went along with it

Not really.

*What are you a faggot?*

easier to kill people who are no longer of any use to you then to let them live

**paranoia intensifies**

..ofcourse

why is he wearing eyeliner

he looks pretty thicc tbqh

Stalin thicc 😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌

die

moustache

come to think of it, stalin's mustache isn't very thick in the painting

i have a cup that looks exactly like the one in stalins painting

i live off the suffering of others

@DICK KICKEM 422 have you come here to chew ass and kick bubblegum?

course i have

time to make my own dick kickem OC art

instead of **infringing copyright**

most of it seems soft and sqauishy

but as you dig deeper

boy oh boy

its hard to eat raw human meat apparently

according to a man who ate a volunteers penis

he was going to eat it too

but he passed out from the loss of blood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

yeah

all recorded too

footage was around 4 hours long

apparently he burnt it so he fed some bits to the dog

what the fuck

why are our species so fucking weird

this is why extra terrestrials haven't visited us

you hear alot of weird shit from the darkweb so you go on it

turns out most of it is child porn and scam sites

oc do not touch

i honestly did not notice

already closed MS paint

10

??

i have the paint desktop app

https://gyazo.com/21b889202c9af74eb8613af746f1018b

im gonna join and shitpost on an art discord now

dead discord?

Yep. Just go to leftypol regular

hey, psst, hey

communism doesnt work

get it through your heads

how can a stateless, classless, and moneyless society work?

think about it

it cant

h u m a n n a t u r e

but if we had a moneyless society, how would you pay for your grocieries???? 🤔

🤔

If we had no private property, then who would you pay rent to????

🤔

really gets the noggin joggin

🤔

i know right? gommunism doesn't work confirmed

gommunism DEBUNKED

don't belittle my points

after all, it killed a hundred quadrillion people

how to defeat any leftist in an argument

using this one simple trick

just tell him that he's a greedy socialist that wants handouts lmao

fuck this bot

i'll use caps if I want to

I can see it now: How to Destroy a Libtard in One Simple Trick!

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lmao true though

hol' up

you're mocking what i said because you have no true points defending communism do you?

BadMouseProductions, DemocraticSocialist01, and Bat'ko the Manarchist all uploaded on the same day on JewTube

typical commie

the gods have spoken

lmao no im just not in the debating mood rn

in a meming mood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3b6COJcAI