@Headshots @Red Ricardo

@Deleted User would you let lots of leftists in a right wing server

No

lol

stop using the terms left and right

its silly

also that would create some debate at least

circle jerk political servers are disgusting echochambers

wtf are you even going to talk about

Imagine thinking echo chamber isa word that means anything

@Deleted User What's wrong with the terms left and right wing? Do you have a better way to classify political idologies?

^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

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@Deleted User they are A french terms, B with the political spectrum you create oxymorrons C it isnt accurate and prevents "fluid" political perspectives

@hydra lee fun fact, communism has been sponsered in the past by capitalists

It doesnt matters what sytem you use, as long as it is a uncorrupted system

@Deleted User That's why there is also top and bottom, not just left and right

fucking retaded party politics

it is tribal conflict

it creats biases and a lack of open thought due to conformism

The whole thing allows ppl to follow and suport things they are ignorant on

like the only reason why you know bout yop and bottom is from the little test

there are no left top or bottom or what not in real life

i wondr who is behind that test thingy

Ideology isa spook

Fuck parties they are divisive and useless!

We need a powerful leader!

A Napoleon! A De Gaulle!

daily reminder that legal abortion is negro genocide

@Deleted Userfalse

@hydra lee

@Deleted Userisnt that my line?

@hydra lee no its mine

@Deleted Userno you don't

HHey i have a pretty long to do list you know

Who from Vietnam join this ! https://discord.gg/383aUF

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posting online is what the jews want

it is a sin to waste time you know

Posting is not wasting your time.

Sin is a talmudic concept

and wasting time is one of the sins

and this stems from a religion pre talmud

i really wish i remebered that documetairy, it was talking about 7? previous reboot of religion

every time resuracting from the dead female goddess?

thats all the comparisons i can recall but there were several, the whole indication was several reboots of religion going back millenia

wasting time should be a sin

Who wants to voice chat

no

nigga nazi ᛋᛋ

Nigga nazi nazi nigga

so like

whats this server about

Wat

english

who is Firefly

cause thats the dude who invited me

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this is english channel

please speak inglish

please speak anglo

Please speak "American"

please speak britbong

bro

speak the right damn language

none of that non-english shit

eh hello

Sad cat

Ok, im a social democrat, im curious to hear your perspective on communism and the soviet union. Convince me, lol.

Well like what are some of your views on it? @BADDOG

I really appreciate the Communist Manifesto criticisms of capitalism and I agree with them there, but I dont believe in the communist economic system of collectivozing every sector of the economy or the equal distribution of the means and goods of production.

Might I ask why Baddog?

Also I am sorta new to communist theory (been one for a year) but could answer some questions you have

@Skull-Dude well here's my stance. I believe in private ownership and the potential of the individual, but im not a complete individualist, for example some government operated companies are good along sode private ones, I also believe in universal college, healthcare, and increasing funding for other social programs. I think both individualism and collectivism have there place in the economy. I dont believe in equal distribution for work thats not equal and that private comptetion generally helps with standard of living and technological advancement.

Well if you look at the two major Socialist Nations (Maoist China and the USSR before becoming revisionist without Stalin) both saw great leaps in technology and standard of living. Both nations saw a significant increase in the quality of life by the fact Infant mortality dropped, literacy rates increased, and industrialization was expanded and the ending of famine (Name one famine after "Holodomor" and the Great Chinese Famine, both of which were due to weather conditions and rebelious, unpurged bourgeoisie)

Also the main reason "The West" is as prosperous is due to Colonization and Exploitation of the Third World

I agree that capitalism can gain from exploitation of third world countries, but I would argue that its the private competition that provides to motivation to create something new, private companies build off their competition modifying what they've done trying to make it better. Additionally I dont think a capitalist economy is inherently imperialist. You could even argue that some countries such as the Latin American ones would've have gotten as far as they did if it werent for capitalism and western influence. Looking at other historical examples such as Korea and Germany also show the comparison of each system. And communist nations also have there fair share of exploitation. In Eastern Europe with stalin promising "free elections" to the United States when really just using salami tactics to instill soviet control and take advantage of its resources. The Soviet Union tried exploiting Afghanistan as well.

Communism bad America good

Who’s moderating this discord?

me

What's up?

No i am the mod

DAE wish we had more dog whistles so we could find each other without revealing our power level?

ahh

Just talk about workers rights uwu

did ulp split again or is this something else

I was randomly invited here by some guy in an IWW server

same, I think I've been here before though

yeah i have

We split from unofficial leftypol 4 splits before. We split from original leftypol which died. Now it was recovered and destroyed 3 times already

@Ladle @Treble

hmm

yeah i remember this place

Fuggin Trotskyists.

Our leftypol is the only one which persists from original

it's the only split that's alive, other than the local inn

We're also the only one that is against splitters and for unification of all leftypols

In fact we're for mutual support https://twitter.com/leftypol_int

Hot take: mailing lists are underrated as an organization tool and social media platform.

What is going on

The something internationale was the big split one, it changed servers for some reason, and renamed itself 12 times, until it settled on The Local Inn <:GWaobloChildPepeShrug:407618817569718272>

Is of the third split

They've been against unification

eh

Just some kids playing

as I see it

i think they've just forgot, its just a casual philosophy discussion hole now

I'm probably still banned there

for the attempt to recover users

from the split

I have nothing against having smaller, niche, affinity-group-esque servers, but that's not what you mean is it?

I personally blame Snow for giving away power to losers

it's basically a affinity group of gay sounds shitposting and philosophy

Send us invite in this chat pls

But you offered me a mod position without knowing anything about me first, didn't you? 🤔

Yep

We have some trial time inside

I guess that's not necessarily inconsistent.

We have a long trial time

<#308950154222895104> and <#308995540782284817> seem redundant at the moment

Maybe rename <#308950154222895104> to <#308995540782284817> and ~~remove~~ archive this channel.

is of English <#308995540782284817> while <#308950154222895104> is multi-language

@Firefly tbh I think productive inter-server diplomacy would be more achievable than one big server

@(import (srfi 151)) Well, how about me being banned on every leftypol offshoot while nobody is banned in here?

How do we do diplomacy in this case?

All I ask for is cooperation and mutual aid

Well, maybe that wasn't very well thought out.

Never mind, I should put my own ideas into practice instead of trying to change yours.

I support diplomatic approach. I'm in favor of your ideas

Already

Why change it?

It's not a very fleshed out idea, but I was thinking maybe we could try starting a federation of smaller servers that each have their own focus, talents, and abilities to contribute to a greater cause.

@(import (srfi 151)) why have a separate server for it?

Why not organize it on one server for everybody?

@Firefly ease of moderation, more of a sense of having an independent group in a symbiotic relationship with a greater whole

It's not a perfect analogue, but conceptually it wouldn't be very much different from the Union of Soviet Socialist Channels

I'm not sure if this is still something anyone identifies with. https://unitedchans.fandom.com/wiki/USSC

Also as an anarkiddie the affinity group + general assembly model of organization just really appeals to me.

Well, I can't really explain logically why sense of a symbolic relationship is pointless as it appeals to people with feels.

I'm looking more into things like results

goals

tactics

Imagine trying to start a revolution without considering feels.

Feels come and go.

Logic and result stay

@Firefly I think this explains what I want better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_group#Organization

@(import (srfi 151)) what is the political goal of it?

@Firefly the abolishment of capitalism, of course

And how this is done through an affinity group?

Direct action.

Like what?

TBD

See, you like the process itself more than a goal

The point is it's more flexible and doesn't require as much bereacratic overhead.

How is it more flexible?

Is there statistic on that point?

Any more flexible results?

Well maybe fluid was a better word.

Chaotic is even better word

Up to you. But to deal with the current situation of so many fragmented servers, maybe we should organize some kind of conference?

Absolutely!

Can you call Danov in here? 😅

D-did he block you?

Yep

How about I just suggest the idea in other servers without mentioning any names.

Chances are half of the members there already read it here. But it is good to try! 😃

I don't know your reputation around other people, so I wouldn't know how to tip toe around it.

Then what we do?

Leftypol won't organize itself, comrade!

Sorry to divert, but god, some people are so unresourceful. http://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/7755.html

Honestly it seems like 90% of what's holding the left back is bad communication skills.

Too bad I suck at that.

In western society people who are pushed outside of it (which resulting in bad social skill) are often finding themselves on the left in the end.

In China, India or Russia no such thing

Is opposite there

Someone who is pushed out there will find himself on the right as society is mostly left

is simple

Should we try communicating with people that actually manage to organize in real life instead of staying in our echo chambers?

Well, I worked with few parties before and organized the last MayDay for example here in SF

There is real life in here as well.

Just don't turn it into an echo chamber for yourself

and work for a result

Most people don't

That's cool.

I didn't even strike this may. 😅

Is not very important to come to a symbolic protest

But then my car broke down and I missed four days of work, so close enough.

That's true.

Mayday is more about making ourselves visible I guess.

The largest MayDay in record been in Ukraine a year before Nationalists took power

Now nobody comes out

Oof

Most of them been doing the ritual without a need to do something valuable

Like helping leftypol with social media

Umm…

DO they want to work hard for the future of the world? No

They want to do the ritual one time a year

and live in echo chamber the rest of the time

Anyways, do you think we should work harder to be a positive force in people's everyday lives?

Classical Marxist approach is to not waist time on the personal private surrounding and engage with common for all problems and goals like overthrowing capitalism, freeing the prols

Working for surrounding peoples life is a waist of a good comrade

True, but you gotta build momentum somehow.

Gotta walk before you can run, no?

Momentum is build through an organization of a Party or periodicals.

Another momentum is build by capitalism itself

Is two momentums

There's plenty of periodicals already… I'm not sure if the quantity makes much difference.

As conscious comrades we build a subjective momentum

Plenty doesn't mean they work

We need just one that works

I take that back. Breadtube deserves some credit.

If you have million of non-working periodicals we still need one working

Though I'm still not sure how insulur the leftist YouTube space is.

Means TV is more demsoc maybe, but I think buying (actually, I think it was given to them, but we might not be so lucky) the channel that uploaded the original Nyan Cat meme in order to have a normal general audience was a smart move.

Youtube channel is a good way to connect with the masses

I've been working for some large political youtube channel before

I think to make my own soon

Could we maybe just buy YouTube channels and upload agitprop? You know, buying the rope to hang them with?

It is easier to make it popular really. If you have okay content you'll have followers as content base for left-wing in the western world is limited

So any passable content will do

You'll have audience

Is not hard to get audience

Is hard to keep up the good content

Yeah but they need to know they want it first.

Not necessarily. Some vloggers just publishing good content and people follow/subscribe and keep watching. Advertisement is easy. Like I did promotions for that political channel I've been talking about and it was easy

Good content = easy advertisement

Though something I like seeing lately is the exploitation of "pipelines". Jim Stirling is a video games -> leftism pipeline, Contrapoints and Philosophy Tube are an acting -> Leftism pipeline, Jack Saint and Big Joel are a movie critic -> leftism pipeline, etc.

Bad content = nothing will help

What are pipelines?

The alt right already have this down to an art, so it's good to see we're catching up.

For example, in the current YouTube meta there's kinda a gaming -> right wing and skeptic -> right wing pipeline right now.

Especially since the YouTube algorithm often associates them as similar content.

For that we have to have a lot of channels and yes it's helpful but absolutely not critical if we don't have it.

Creating unique content is critical

It doesn't really have to be a lot though. One good one can suffice if it's accepted as a fresh perspective.

Again, Jim Stirling is a shining light in the "video games journalism" crowd.

Links pls

I bet this single video has radicalized at least a few people. https://youtu.be/HmW0GhdDOvw

Looks interesting

is it left-wing?

tldr: investors always want more, more, more stock profit growth at the expense of user experience and the people working there.

Yeah.