And there was little to prove that.

the book that you screencapped

it fully stated that yugoslavia showed that self-management is feasible

if it had no self-management then how does it show that it's feasible

The evidence also referred to yugoslavia as capitalist and competitive in the market, meaning that the markets certainly weren't "Worker owned".

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/how-castro-survived-638-assassination-attempts/8064788

fucking hell
you can have cooperatives in a capitalist environment
that is the idea of a cooperative

they still have commodity production and a profit motive

its still capitalism but there isn't exploitation

^

but if left alone it would devolve into regular capitalism

thats why mutualism is dangerous

@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 How would you know?

New Harmony

because hierarchies would naturally occur

1 min

So then that means that exploitation would occur in coops?

no
they'd just get phased out by regular businesses

^

it's very hard to start cooperatives

thats why there are so little in our modern day

not profitable

because there aren't made for profit, they're made for what benefits the labourers the most

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 So exploitation would occur.

yes

without intervention yes

@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 *And probably because nobody wants to set up marxist coops.*

oh people want to
it's just very hard to organize them and incredibly risky

^

and I can't spell risky

risky

I mean think about it
you're giving up a lot to work with other people in a slower business

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 That's an unsubstantiated claim.

really?
giving up your job isn't risky?

and you have to purchase property and organize deliveries and other business things

No, what I was saying is that people wanting to make a marxist coop is an unsubstantiated claim.

I think that's what a regular company does.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/1995/01/1995_bpeamicro_craig.pdf

"more than three-quarters of workers feel that giving workers more say in decisions about production would increase competitiveness, improve quality, and improve worker satisfaction"

More say in decision making for a company =/= Marxist worker ownership of business

having more say in decision making is exactly what self-management is

and I never mentioned marxism

I'm not arguing for marxism here

No fucking way it means that "LE WORKERS SHOULD DEMOCRATICALLY OWN BUSINESS" all that the study stated was that the workers believed they should have more say in the companies, it does not mean that they want themselves to own the business.

i've always liked the ak's gas system.

it's just really, really straightforward and works well.

incredibly well designed imo

Forebenis

now that's always just made me incredibly uncomfortable

If the altright plays nazis we should play allies

we can pool our money to buy a t-34

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-34-35

@NoCountryForAllMen#8084 Edgy.

@mcstubbs#2543 here's something a tiny bit more affordable

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/armoured-vehicles-4/btr-60-8

@mcstubbs#2543 I’ve demolished many enemy installations with several of these and they would take plenty of fire before blowing up

Doesn't that sound good?

oh yes

i'm just a t-34fag tbh

your choice comrade

apparently you can buy a turret on request

nice

with a new power unit and automatic transmission it will be good as anything today

yes then it can be used to mow down protestors

I mean that's what it was made for after all

crush the alt-right under our mighty treads

and crush their dodge chargers too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmKiox0-oZE

They wouldn't stand a chance

unless it was a race

and of course someone will have to blast "march of the soviet tankists" on earrape

..you guys think we could get a t-35?

get one of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank

@mcstubbs no offense but the t-35 has paper thin armor and completely garbage guns at long range.

Considering many of them come to their rallies armed it would be bad

oh yeah, the t-35 was absolute shite

but man

did it looks neat

did the short 76 have a decent HE round, at least?

not sure

But it's out of the running

sorry comrade

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 Wasn't it a kv2 that held up something like an entire Nazi battalion until it ran out of ammo and then drove away?

the 152mm cannon looks promising

something like that yeah

nice

https://youtu.be/dVnQcK2zZk0

@Deleted User Good enough for Nazis to use it

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left You mean soviets?

@Deleted User Nazis used the t-35

and a lot of other tanks

Citation needed.

http://beutepanzer.ru/

good website for this kind of stuff, wealth of photographic and other evidence

Thank you comrade

i got a feeling beute means beautiful