Message from @Advocatus Diaboli
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they tried to poison his milkshake one time
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i was just going to mention that
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 And what I also stated was that there was little to suggest that that was actually the case, they just called the system worker self management while actually having a capitalist economy and called it a day.
@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 How many doubles did castro have and how many got killed?
and I showed that they DID have worker self-management
and I proved that by citing evidence
And there was little to prove that.
the book that you screencapped
it fully stated that yugoslavia showed that self-management is feasible
if it had no self-management then how does it show that it's feasible
The evidence also referred to yugoslavia as capitalist and competitive in the market, meaning that the markets certainly weren't "Worker owned".
fucking hell
you can have cooperatives in a capitalist environment
that is the idea of a cooperative
they still have commodity production and a profit motive
its still capitalism but there isn't exploitation
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but if left alone it would devolve into regular capitalism
thats why mutualism is dangerous
@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 How would you know?
because hierarchies would naturally occur
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So then that means that exploitation would occur in coops?
no
they'd just get phased out by regular businesses
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it's very hard to start cooperatives
thats why there are so little in our modern day
not profitable
because there aren't made for profit, they're made for what benefits the labourers the most
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 So exploitation would occur.
yes
without intervention yes
@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 *And probably because nobody wants to set up marxist coops.*
oh people want to
it's just very hard to organize them and incredibly risky
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and I can't spell risky
risky
I mean think about it
you're giving up a lot to work with other people in a slower business
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 That's an unsubstantiated claim.
really?
giving up your job isn't risky?