Message from @Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪
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but if left alone it would devolve into regular capitalism
thats why mutualism is dangerous
@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 How would you know?
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because hierarchies would naturally occur
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So then that means that exploitation would occur in coops?
no
they'd just get phased out by regular businesses
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it's very hard to start cooperatives
thats why there are so little in our modern day
not profitable
because there aren't made for profit, they're made for what benefits the labourers the most
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 So exploitation would occur.
yes
without intervention yes
@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 *And probably because nobody wants to set up marxist coops.*
oh people want to
it's just very hard to organize them and incredibly risky
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and I can't spell risky
I mean think about it
you're giving up a lot to work with other people in a slower business
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 That's an unsubstantiated claim.
really?
giving up your job isn't risky?
and you have to purchase property and organize deliveries and other business things
No, what I was saying is that people wanting to make a marxist coop is an unsubstantiated claim.
I think that's what a regular company does.
"more than three-quarters of workers feel that giving workers more say in decisions about production would increase competitiveness, improve quality, and improve worker satisfaction"
More say in decision making for a company =/= Marxist worker ownership of business
having more say in decision making is exactly what self-management is
and I never mentioned marxism
I'm not arguing for marxism here
No fucking way it means that "LE WORKERS SHOULD DEMOCRATICALLY OWN BUSINESS" all that the study stated was that the workers believed they should have more say in the companies, it does not mean that they want themselves to own the business.
i've always liked the ak's gas system.
it's just really, really straightforward and works well.
incredibly well designed imo
Forebenis
now that's always just made me incredibly uncomfortable