thats why mutualism is dangerous

@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 How would you know?

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because hierarchies would naturally occur

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So then that means that exploitation would occur in coops?

no
they'd just get phased out by regular businesses

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it's very hard to start cooperatives

thats why there are so little in our modern day

not profitable

because there aren't made for profit, they're made for what benefits the labourers the most

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 So exploitation would occur.

yes

without intervention yes

@Erika.ϟϟ🇮🇪 *And probably because nobody wants to set up marxist coops.*

oh people want to
it's just very hard to organize them and incredibly risky

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and I can't spell risky

risky

I mean think about it
you're giving up a lot to work with other people in a slower business

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 That's an unsubstantiated claim.

really?
giving up your job isn't risky?

and you have to purchase property and organize deliveries and other business things

No, what I was saying is that people wanting to make a marxist coop is an unsubstantiated claim.

I think that's what a regular company does.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/1995/01/1995_bpeamicro_craig.pdf

"more than three-quarters of workers feel that giving workers more say in decisions about production would increase competitiveness, improve quality, and improve worker satisfaction"

More say in decision making for a company =/= Marxist worker ownership of business

having more say in decision making is exactly what self-management is

and I never mentioned marxism

I'm not arguing for marxism here

No fucking way it means that "LE WORKERS SHOULD DEMOCRATICALLY OWN BUSINESS" all that the study stated was that the workers believed they should have more say in the companies, it does not mean that they want themselves to own the business.

i've always liked the ak's gas system.

it's just really, really straightforward and works well.

incredibly well designed imo

Forebenis

now that's always just made me incredibly uncomfortable