the anarchist were the counter revolutionaries

they broke away

Look up anything about the Spanish Civil War that focuses on the Anarchists and you never hear the end of "muh churches", "muh dead nuns", "muh landowners"

they fought for the liberation of the proletariat, but with different approaches, but i guess that constitutes being counter-revolutionary.
and i guess capitulating to the state makes you a revolutionary

Didn't Lenin personally have no real problem with Makhno?

makhno is the most respectable anarchist, but I still strongly disagree with him and he does not deserve any power

trotsky killed makhnovia, in all honesty

Lenin did

Trotsky convinced him he was a threat though but told him he was useful for now

then he fucking killed him lol

in the tankies' collective mindset, capitulating to the state is REVOLUTIONARY

they were fighting a civil war

with many factions

Can we talk about Holodomor yet?

any factions that is not yours wish to userp yours

and is a threat

Without Makhno, Ukraine would have probably had a more prominent counter-revolutionary movement tbh

ukraine alone could not stand to the red army no matter which way you put it

not much would change with or without the anarchist

they lose in every situation

because EVERYONE is trying to kill them.
BIG SURPRISE

yeah

How might you explain the failure of ML movements later in the 20th century?

NATO and modern technology

you couldnt just fly over to Russia and send tons of equipment in

things were slower

honestly, that

nato is a bunch of cocksuckers

atleast we can agree on that

nato triple gay

if holodomor was about the kulaks, i don't exactly have sympathy for them. but maybe killing was going to far. simply expropriating the expropriators (maybe exiling them) and stopping there would have been nicer

give that land to the people and not the state

oh, so it wasn't just about the kulaks.
FOR SHAME

well, on the bright side, we won't ever have to worry about tankies again

i can honestly thank the capis for that one

fuck you

i'm sorry that your own state-sanctioned superaggression bit you guys in the ass and you no longer have any supporters left to speak of

sorry if that offends you

honestly, it would have been "fuck you" anyway.
so why should your authoritarian thoughts bother me?

to me it means 1/3 enemies out of the picture

so, haha fuck you too

@alines sputnik is a good news source

what

kulaks deserved it

holodomor is a farse

stalin ate all the grain

>tfw bat'ko's leftypol choir video about tankies was spot-on

@alines Won't be the /leftypol/ Choir anymore

Or smth

People are upset at the Tankie coup

me too

https://youtu.be/hrPAagXeky0

But do nothing but condemn 8chan Leftypol to becoming a Tankie Board

Not that there is much you can do against BO

what's BO?

body odor

i doubt that's in the right context

wtf is that

Stalin did nothing wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LpGfGqnoQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orx9zUyUBIU

i have more love for stirner than lenin

stirner's ideology killed fewer people

lenin got his ideas of the "necessity of the state" from marx.
ergo i love stirner more than i love marx

but bakunin is my guy

you have nothing on bakunin.
he was right about EVERYTHING

[Contemporary's critique on Marx intensifies]

he predicted the absolute despotism and farce of the "red bureaucracy" LONG before the advent of the soviet union

yes you would be killed in the USSR

he predicted it would be ANYTHING but autonomy for the people, and empowering only to the central state

grog the caveman said one day mankind would move really fast, later the car was invented

thats pretty broad

@alines Lenin was shitty all round.

oh fuck off to the international again

bakunin made this prediction while criticizing marx, lenin followed marx, and LO, red bureacracy turn out to be evil

"evil"

okay liberal

liberals are puppets of the bourgeoisie and the state

@alines You should not use such a black and white perception of "good and evil".

It's a pure generalization.

Lenin was a great man

literally my favorite man ever

marx and all his followers deserve to have the world population piss on all their graves for eternity

how do you just completely disregard marx and call yourself even slightly left leaning

bakunin

@Lucas 4313 >Returns the soviet union to capitalism and nearly causes it's collapse due to shitty management, and starvation becomes much more worse than it was during the climax of WW1, as well as most of his policies failing and being retracted

Wew, when you look at it objectively, stalin was 100X better than lenin.

">" who returned the soviet union to capitalism

Gorby?

@Lucas 4313 Nope, lenin did before stalin reversed his policies, he allowed for private ownership to return.

you make it out as if marx just invented socialism.
no, his ideas only received the most attention from socialists.
that means nothing as to whether or not he epitiomized the left.
HE DID NOT

Had stalin not reworked the USSR from it's core, then it is quite likely that it would have collapsed, similarly to how it did in the 90's, but with much more bloodshed.

Marx is the father of the collectivist ideology, also known as 70% of the left. If you do not consider marx to know anything then you are a useless anarchist in my eyes

also Stalin was good I agree on that

Lenin's ideas were better though

ideally

@Lucas 4313 They were complete and utter failures.

lenin said that ideally the state would eventually dissolve

They may have looked pretty on paper, but in the real world, they failed.