I'm not hiding I just do not trust the rhetorical trickery of Marxian zombies.

@OF-8 I want to know in what position are you to talk about all this

if you're feeling it or not

Oh. Like. What gives me the authority to know these things and have an opinion?

no, I just want to know if you're working

so you understand it from the reality

Yeah I work

ok and OF?

What work do you imagine gives me authority over this domain?

Theoretically work that classifies you as a prole

Is washing dishes prole tier?

yes

Idk how a wagecuck can sleep at night being a commie.

And yet.

They're the perfect wagecucks.

Good thing I'm not a commie

"wagecuck", I assume you're a priest or a bourgeois

I worked really hard in my 20s to build a family and homestead, now just working for fun.

WOKE

I'm a former wagecuck.

I wish I could do that

you're an ex prole, now bourgeois

I ascended to wage cuck from utter poverty.

not all the people can become bourgeois

an ex-prole who has been tricked into believing the meritocracy myth?

Look at this.

Look how the ideological brainlets chimp out when they see success

👌🏽😎😂👌🏽

look how of-8 can't engage with ideas and resorts to identity based arguments

Being a self-sufficient family man sounds like success to me.

*emojis*

I have a petit bourgeois in my family, and from my nucleus 2 members who worked all their lifes and they couldn't be bourgeois

no matter how they want it

so we shouldn't target our ideas to people like OF-8

"Engage with ideas"

it's what utopic socialism wanted to do, convince those who would lose

With a commie.

Not even once. I will make the commie emerge from his cave.

Because it's that reaction that's fun.

Inside the commie ideology cave is stinky.

more identity based arguments

word

I told him before that he didn't have arguments

and that he was being metaphysical

"Hiding inside ideological structures."

"you're a X, therefore Y"

That's precisely where mediocrity is most comfortable.

lmfao bruhhh

Asking for permission to hold a concept.

stop lmao

Lmfao make me commie

dog you're like an 8th grader lmao

make me?

like, actually saying "make me"

It takes a lot to convince a commie to come out of his stinky cave.

There isn't even a branch alone

🤡

Do I have to jingle keys at you, brainlet?

i was a right-winger for years

you're not going to convince anyone of us insulting and saying nothing from faith

then i started reading : )

>falling for the left-right dichotomy

You went from one goy trap to the other.

Good goy.

there's a dichotomy

Come out of the cave, brainlet.

the right can't be socialist

what cave should i enter

none

its caves all the way down my firend

friend

Lmfao.

>post-modernism

Ignore the cave you stupid ape.

You don't get to pick the political landscape, you have to deal with what is.

OF-8 you aren't materialist

you can't talk about dealing with what is

you aren't presenting arguments yet

why do we have to deal with this nonsense

Lmfao

I agree, and as I said to firefly if he's working to discredit the right here

NO THE SUN OUTSIDE THE CAVE IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE

sick meme

losers liars and brainlets.

yet again, your memes are super sick bro

I can't see the sun therefore it doesn't exist

All commies. Losers. Liars. Or brainlets.

Pick one. Look within.

You'll find yourself.

That's the sunshine.

Idiot.

of-8 what grounds do you have to call others brainlets

the existence of god can't be proved so yes

prove your intelligence, rather than just assert it

I won't believe then, it's a trap for controlling the people politically

@not_matt I didn't fall for the gomminist goy trap

you're in it

I can see past it.

communism is materialist

>my personal political leanings make me smarter than anyone else

yikes fam

not a religion

And you have to actually not want to understand truth to get stuck within Marxian concepts

>my strawman of you proves im smart

Y I K E

So you're literally too stupid to pluck your head out of the cave of diamat

who says i buy diamat?

REVOLUTION IS ONLY POSSIBLE IN THE THIRD WORLD
THEREFORE WE MUST TURN EUROPE INTO THE THIRD WORLD
THIS IS WHAT THE KARLTURAL MARXISTS PLANNED ALL ALONG
TURN EUROPE INTO THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
AND THEN ACHIEVE TRUE COMMUNISM
WHICH IS STEALING PEOPLE'S MONEY AND EQUALLY SHARING IT
THE KULRTURAL MARXIGSTS PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG
SEND REFUGEES INTO EUROPE
THEY PLANNED THIS WITH THE SAUDI MONARCHY
I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT THE SAUDI MONARCHY WILL BE PART OF THE FUTURE TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP OF YUROP
FUCK I LEAKED IMPORTANT PLANS
20 BILLION ATLEAST
YES I SAID 20 BILLION PEOPLE BECAUSE ALIEN SPECIES ARE GOING TO GET INVOLVED
IN THIS MASTERPLAN ORCHESTRATED BY THE KULTURAL MARGISTS AND SAUDI MONARCHY
THE ALIENS WILL CREATE A HUGE FORCEFIELD TO PROTECT PORKY AND SAUDI PROPERTY
THEN THEY WILL ENSLAVE EVERYONE UNDER 1 WORLD REPUBLIC
WHICH IS THE NAZBOL GANG
THEIR BACKYARD WILL BE EATEN BY WEIRD ALIENS
THE FIRST IDEA THAT THE SAUDI MONARCHY WILL IMPLEMENT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF BACKYARDS
THE SECOND IDEA WILL BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE KURLTURAL MARGISXTS WHICH IS TAKING EVERYONE'S CREDIT CARDS AND EQUALLY DIVIDING THE MONEY
IT IS INEVITABLE THO
HAVEN'T I MADE IT CLEAR
THAT THE SAUDI MONARCHY IS WORKING WITH THE KULTURAL MARGISTSAXCS
AND SENDING A BILLION MUSLIMS TO EUROPE
TO TURN IT INTO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
THEN OVER 364 SPECIES WHOS NUMBERS GO ABOVE THE 12 BILLION WILL COME TO EARTH
AND DESTROY ALL BACKYARDS TOGETHER WITH THE SAUDI MONARCHY IN EXCHANGE FOR CREDIT CARDS

>implying politics aren't just a distraction

^^^^^

lmfao

wtf is going on

politics are everywhere, you can't escape them

you have politics or other politics

@Mros You fucking get it m8

Debating your ideology is a waste of time.

ideology is at its most pervasive when it presents itself as post-ideology @Blebleh

Shit brainlets do.

thats some good shit right there

I'm literally slumming it

And I admit so.

Because I love watching the mediocre not understand their own downfall.

There are things beyond that which can observed or felt. Matters of the world are simply temporary.

We aren't in a classless society yet; politics exist

It's a bad idea for me to wake you folks up, because I profit from you.

honestly, even in classless society politics still exists as far as im concerned

we aren't in afterlife yet

>implying classlessness can ever exist.

if that exists

See

This is why ur a brainlet.

it did

Never read the fucking manual for your brain

One should not forsake the world, but understand that it is temporary.

Lmfao

that's *almost* a point of-8!

you almost did one!!!

lets talk about whether classless society can exist!!!!!

It can't.

not a point because it did

why not

Dominance hierarchy.

anarchist communes existed

why is that inevitable

in humans in particular

a freely *conscious animal

Dominance hierarchies are an inescapable feature of human social groups, we are not freely acting individuals we act as tribes.

prove it

Marxian concepts didn't get this update to our neurological understanding.

So they are obsolete.

you're just *saying* things

not proving

I don't have to prove.

This is trolling

*ok_hand*

Don't be a lazy nigger and check my facts.

why can't tribes collaborate

lenin made a step forward to marx to organize the people and remove the dominance of the capitalist society; and then anarchism

it's not impossible

why can't tribes be expanded

Because they trade.

Not collaborate.

http://www.cafepress.com/+maostalinleninengelsmarx_classic_thong,113290373?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=653160155-d-m&utm_content=38541646008-adid-96354635530&utm_term=pla-72527508010-pid-113290373

All collaboration between outgroup members involves a proxy for value.

trade doesn't preclude collaboration, trade *is* collaboration

we can collaborate in a planned economy

At that point, capitalism.

It's a feature of tribalism.

This excludes marx

then why did capitalism not develop for thousands of years

markets /= capitalism

False.

Capitalism is a feature of tribalism in the form of trade.

trade /= capitalism

The existence of value proxies created through trade contradicts Marxian capital theory.

Meaning you have to change the structure of the human brain to implement it.

no

Which happens when the natural minded humans are put up against the wall.

You are expected to reject this concept.

And this is why I find you brainlets funny

Marx developed several stages and didn't call tribalism capitalism since the economy wasn't based in the extraction of surplus value from the worker by a capitalist

what are value proxies created through trade

Cue the mental gymnastics.

Breads

Circuses.

Etc.

a central planned economy doesn't require trade

Sorry. No. The naturalistic behavior of man disagrees with Marx. Marx is wrong.

The whole philosophy collapses right here.

@OF-8 what are trade proxies created through trade

no, I don't trade

the naturalistic behaviour of man isn't trade; I disagree with this

A trade proxy "I don't like fish, but group c loves fish, fish is a value proxy for group c trading"

That's capital asshole.

communism doesn't equal absolute egalitarianism

so why does someone not finding utility value in fish prove communism wrong?

The naturalistic behavior of man is to give objects of value willingly.

*facepalms*

It proves Marxian capital theory wrong

.... no?

And communism collapses without it.

communism respects desires

Look this is my position.

explain your understanding of marxian capital

I don't need to convince you.

i expect you to be able to defend your position

you don't understand marx

My analysis is better than yours. Get on my level or get memed.

god i wish i could pin this

he's at the level of the austrians making straw mans of Marx with the theory of subjective value

this has already been addressed by marxian economists

bawerk is the only austrian to come even close to an effective critique, but it too ultimately fails

I'm leaving crucial stuff out of the theory so you can figure it out.

Dismiss it at your peril, brainlets.

>i can't defend my own ideology because *you're* so stupid

🤷🏼‍♂️

nice

equating it to egalitarianism is not reading a single text

>notice me senpai

Lmfao

and Cockshott already addressed all the problems of Mises and Hayek

*Joke's on you, I was only pretending to be retarded*

>resolve my cognitive dissonance senpai

the fact that people still take mises seriously makes me want to drop out of my econ degree and hang myself

Econ is a fuckin meme.

haha

not really but k

Yeah see.

That's why ur a brainlet.

there are some schools of economy that fight each other

You can't even unpack that statement.

neoclassical, marxist, austrian...

keynesian

im a brainlet because i study economics lmao

No. Because you study it. You pay people to teach you economics

And you don't get it.

mainstream is neoclassical and keynesian; they strawman marxism as I've seen

>academia

I have to learn marxism for myself

He's RPing Q, my man. Be Sisko, not Picard.

Lmfao

what?

i dont speak nerd

@senfood 👌🏽

; )

Picard tried to talk to Q and unravel his logic.

It's a mask.

who?

I'm actually smarter than most of you tho.

Sisko punched him in the face and told him to fuck off.