Message from @OF-8

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2017-06-04 20:29:39 UTC  

All collaboration between outgroup members involves a proxy for value.

2017-06-04 20:29:40 UTC  

trade doesn't preclude collaboration, trade *is* collaboration

2017-06-04 20:29:47 UTC  

we can collaborate in a planned economy

2017-06-04 20:29:47 UTC  

At that point, capitalism.

2017-06-04 20:29:53 UTC  

It's a feature of tribalism.

2017-06-04 20:29:57 UTC  

This excludes marx

2017-06-04 20:30:05 UTC  

then why did capitalism not develop for thousands of years

2017-06-04 20:30:11 UTC  

markets /= capitalism

2017-06-04 20:30:11 UTC  

False.

2017-06-04 20:30:24 UTC  

Capitalism is a feature of tribalism in the form of trade.

2017-06-04 20:30:33 UTC  

trade /= capitalism

2017-06-04 20:31:20 UTC  

The existence of value proxies created through trade contradicts Marxian capital theory.

2017-06-04 20:31:33 UTC  

Meaning you have to change the structure of the human brain to implement it.

2017-06-04 20:31:37 UTC  

no

2017-06-04 20:31:53 UTC  

Which happens when the natural minded humans are put up against the wall.

2017-06-04 20:32:14 UTC  

You are expected to reject this concept.

2017-06-04 20:32:27 UTC  

And this is why I find you brainlets funny

2017-06-04 20:32:29 UTC  

Marx developed several stages and didn't call tribalism capitalism since the economy wasn't based in the extraction of surplus value from the worker by a capitalist

2017-06-04 20:32:32 UTC  

what are value proxies created through trade

2017-06-04 20:32:33 UTC  

Cue the mental gymnastics.

2017-06-04 20:32:36 UTC  

Breads

2017-06-04 20:32:38 UTC  

Circuses.

2017-06-04 20:32:40 UTC  

Etc.

2017-06-04 20:32:59 UTC  

a central planned economy doesn't require trade

2017-06-04 20:33:08 UTC  

Sorry. No. The naturalistic behavior of man disagrees with Marx. Marx is wrong.

2017-06-04 20:33:16 UTC  

The whole philosophy collapses right here.

2017-06-04 20:33:21 UTC  

@OF-8 what are trade proxies created through trade

2017-06-04 20:33:22 UTC  

no, I don't trade

2017-06-04 20:34:03 UTC  

the naturalistic behaviour of man isn't trade; I disagree with this

2017-06-04 20:34:04 UTC  

A trade proxy "I don't like fish, but group c loves fish, fish is a value proxy for group c trading"

2017-06-04 20:34:10 UTC  

That's capital asshole.

2017-06-04 20:34:41 UTC  

communism doesn't equal absolute egalitarianism

2017-06-04 20:34:46 UTC  

so why does someone not finding utility value in fish prove communism wrong?

2017-06-04 20:34:47 UTC  

The naturalistic behavior of man is to give objects of value willingly.

2017-06-04 20:34:47 UTC  

*facepalms*

2017-06-04 20:35:00 UTC  

It proves Marxian capital theory wrong

2017-06-04 20:35:04 UTC  

.... no?

2017-06-04 20:35:06 UTC  

And communism collapses without it.

2017-06-04 20:35:12 UTC  

communism respects desires

2017-06-04 20:35:14 UTC  

Look this is my position.