But you already are killing people for their ideas

Wrong

100 million per year

wrong

>gulag now

>report to your nearest commissar

That's why you're fine with it

people always died of starvation, don't act like it's a capitalism thing

holodomor

Because you're in power

100 million due to capitalism?

what a nice bs stat

Look it up

No one dies of starvation in beautiful socialist regime

Because there are giant hordes of food at McDonalds

expect for in China and USSR the two biggest socialist regimes

While people are starving in Africa

blame that on the dictators

Oh wait there is no poverty in capitalism

If you're referring to the third world, you're looking at difficult geopolitical situations tied in with a country which is literally developing

it isn't a good example of capitalism

simply isn't

If you think africa has an actual free market you don't know about africa

big government involvement in economy there

They are basically colonies to the US

Us?

USA

And then you have countries like America and the UK who are both capitalist, except they're the polar opposite of the third world

whilst if we look at communism... well all countries are shit

No starvation in venezuela either

all sunshine and flowers

But lets throw out the best system we have, we'll take another chance with socialism

>holodomor didn't happen tho

>give it a chance goy

>fuck the system it works but fuck it

africa, just on the brink of riches if only they embrace socialism

Might need a couple of gulags though

>maybe if they redistributed their fucking wealth they would be superpowers
>nvm they have no wealth

what happened on may 7 ?

they divided the land in zimbabwe

not a success I don't think

Pretty sure they're in famine

seems to be a running theme every time a former colony drives out the evil capitalists

>former colony

>canada, nz, australia, us

you should be saying former african countries

not even asian tbh

singapore, hong kong

they're all golden

they didn't drive out the colonists though

and then africa can't even put it together

They eventually led the country

but they're no longer colonies

I know

Just don't kill the people with the knowledge

which the ones above didn't do

India and zimbabwe drove them out

most african colonies i don't think did

Be an independent nation, don't drive out the people with capital

Eventually your people will take over the role of the imperialists

Instead of screaming revolution now and created a shithole

Imagine if the native americans drove out all the europeans

It would be africa

except that those countries can trade with the world

and not all of africa fought a bloody revolution to leave the imperialists

Oh really?

Who will take care of the farms as well as the europeans could?

These people were backwards, as harsh as that sounds

They can't just take over the role of the very advanced people that invaded their country

Unless you want to live primitively

>very advanced people

>farming is very advanced

it is

If they can't get that right then, fuck me

or do you think farming hasn't improved in the past 100 years?

nigger how do you think farming milk works?

Even basic farming would do for them

with a few hands and a bucket?

If you want to live primitively you can, as I said

You miss my point

of course i don't fucking mean the farming we use

basic fucking farming that uses a spade and a hoe

it's not that hard

if these africans can't do that

then they aren't worth our foreign aid

our money

It's not enough to feed an entire nation, a nation advances because not everyone would need to have a farm

And you can only get that if the farms are advanced enough

They should start from the ground up

not jump to camp c

whilst they haven't gone to b

Or just leave the european farmer be and advance faster

It isn't a knowledge problem

it cannot be this hard to order a society

this was shit europe was doing at 0 AD

earlier ffs

Especially in the age of globalism

internet, all the tech available

of course the average african can't access it

but their governments sure can

maybe their governments are corrupt

their governments are corrupt as hell

Every single one?

I find that hard to believe

Unless you want everyone to live as a farmer you need advanced farming tech and investors

What else is the issue then?

What do you think makes them so far behind?

I am not sure

I think it is the culture possibly

the way these people live

is fundamentally different

different mindsets

look up the language of swahili

very few words

I don't see it, the middle east was way more advanced than europe was

Yet it went to shit

that's something else

doesn't mean africa can't be culturally different

doesn't mean they can't be more advanced than they are now

It's no surprise south africa is the wealthiest african country

too tired to care at the moment

The colonialists stayed largly

south africa is a different case

why?

they had white rule for most of the 20th century

right

exactly what I was arguing

well it wasn't african culture

it was a european elite

ruling over an african majority

i'm going to bed anyway

it isn't just a knowledge issue

Huh, do we have an anprit here

definitely something deeper

south africa is what happens when you don't drive out the people with the knowledge

and they're doing it right now, and they'll suffer

south africa is a shit hole today

nothing culturally

not even they are good

South Africa is more about the Anglo intervention honestly

should check out their crime statistics

leagues ahead of other african countries

You'd live in s-africa if you had to chose an african country

I wouldn't live there at all

probably get lynched tbh

not the point

they're leagues ahead of every other african country

but galaxies behind every other country on earth

no ones denying that

of course white rule stabilised s africa

and the other african countries didn't get that opportunity

but you find even now in s africa

they have issues

crime issues

again, no one denies that

which leads me to say that it is cultural

mindset

It's still better than the countries where they did drive out the colonialists

how they operate

Not the case

It simply has to do with not chasing away those with knowledge

they had a peaceful transition

s africa

and yet they're a shithole

it isn't chasing away knowledge

NO ONE IS DENYING THAT

fucking hell mate lmao

then what is your point retard?

>It simply has to do with not chasing away those with knowledge

compare them to the countries that DID chase them away you dummy

>gives s africa as an example of not chasing away knowledge

not to europe

>s africa is a shithole anyway

Better than other countries that did chase them away you absolute brainlet

already acknowledged that

you need to read what was written before

we already discussed this

no you're just confused

go to bed

Someones in a bad mood

No wonder

>NOOOO IT'S NOT CULTURAL FK U WACIST

You're arguing for my stance (the more you co-operate with your colonialists the better the country becomes)

i don't think it is one factor

it is a mixture

then argue the other factors

why is s-africa better then?

cultural/mindset, transition of power and possibly intelligence factors

if not for that reason

what's the difference between s-african culture and zimbabwan culture?

No clue

ding ding ding

There is one thing (it has to do with how they treated the colonialists)

i need sleep

@Timo))) what's your alignment dear comrade

Probably libertarian

As long as the market stays free and the borders secure with a strong military I'm fine

What do you see in free market as a benefit?

Faster innovation, less bureaucracy more investors into your country etc

Milton Friedman is a good guy if you want to understand the free market side of things

His ''free to choose'' show is great

Why wouldn't a socialist state be able keep up with innovation towards general development?

Bureaucracy makes it slower, sure

But that could be arranged in time

How?

I don't see how it could be faster than in a capitalist system

You get your idea, you try to get investors if it's good and you make the product

Does the state go through all the applicants who want to make a product?

Well i see the socialist market more beneficial for people's 'actual' needs, there won't be new iPhones and computers each year, sure

How do you determine what people actually need

What do you need to function as a human being?

I think it's pretty basic and structured

Only the people will be able to decide their needs though

So then all a socialist market can produce is the bear bones to support life

Do we NEED an iphone? I don't, some people think we do

That's primarily the goal, improvements will come after that

How do you decide who gets to make what after you got the basics?

It will be decided according to the needs of people, keeping the capitalist commercials out will be extremely important so you won't end up like ussr

McDonald's in Moscow

How do you find out the needs of the people?

If Ford gave people what they wanted he'd find out a way to make horses faster

Ask them? Demographics? Referendum? Ministries working on that?

Oh

That's actually a good point

Inventions

a referendum for what type of phone you want?

Brb

People hardly go out to vote on big issues here

I'm off for a shower too

do any of you guys know ansyn, also called Bel's Healing Sticc

is he an actual leftist>?

@temporary warp hello and yes

ok

Why is there antifa members here anyway? Isn't this leftypol?

@Syndicalist could you answer my PM?

Antifa is a terrorist organization

technically venezuala isn't communist, but yeah you're right it doesn't work

Or more technically it can't be achived

yeah defensible sentiment, stupid example

anime communism can be achieved

we just have to believe

fully automated gay space communism is the only way

gg