existentialism i mean

Being a communist isn't the same as signing away your individual autonomy and having your own personal interests

(and just because i like existentialism doesn't mean other thinkers won't address the same issues and questions, schelling comes to mind as explaining why we are radically free and individuals but obviously w/o the same context to work with as jps)

@petit bourgeois Thanks! Always great to meet a fan

i actually met a fan in real life one time, one of the Knights For Socialism in Orlando. It was so weird but awesome

Phenomenology et al. is masturbation. The focus is wrong. It is a reflection of the material world not the centre of it. How do you even call yourself a Marxist?

ah the old metaphysics is masturbation meme

You do know Sartre was avowedly Marxist for the majority of his life, right?

https://images.jacobinmag.com/2017/04/17759700_1709890315704329_7359977960302963299_n.png

sartre and de beauvoir both afaik

Yep

I care what a man says not who he keep company with.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-communist-party-has-one-objective-the-creation-of-a-socialist-economy-and-one-means-jean-paul-sartre-107-96-85.jpg

And what he says is absolutely fine

i think his ideas on radiacal freedom are pretty anarchist imo

encouraging others to reject how Capitalist society defines them and to realize their absolute freedom is not contradictory to Communism

How do you reconcile existentialism and marxism?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/novack/works/history/ch12.htm

He did become an Anarchist

i think he was jealous of camus

His existentialism did not contradict material analysis lmao

Nah, he just broke with the Marxist movements of his time, he was always p anti-authoritarian

the freakin intro to being and nothingness asserts his materialism and opposition to idealism

"The confrontation of existentialism with dialectical materialism is a genuine case of “either-or.”"

but can you seperate an ought from an is?

@danman1950 In what context?

@Deleted User in memes

that article says camus is an existentialist lol

He said he wasn't, but in effect p much was

i find absurdism to be distinct from existentialism

could just be because camus was more literary than philosophical tbh

I always thought of Absurdism as a sort of branch of Existentialism

fair

mfw Heidegger was a good philosopher in an apolitical sense but his politics were literally as bad as possible

What do y'all think of state capitalism

ew state capitalism

heidegger is fucking hilarious in how bad his politics are

>government can plan the economy
Sounds comfy to me desu

state capitalism is gross

workers don't own the means of production >: (

😡

I mean I realize that analyzing ML states as State Capitalist definitely defends on your definition of socialism obviously

whether you view it as a transitional phase of the reversal of class repression or as worker's control

What happens when the scientific guide of Diamat conflicts with the 'be yourself' model of existentialism? Do you explode?

yeah

in all seriousness thats the whole paradox of human existence isnt it. we're self-aware freely choosing beings who are also driven by our material circumstances

There's a difference between scientifically analyzing how material forces and class drive history and encouraging individuals to act without forgetting that they are ultimately free, and encouraging them to be free

@not_matt 'we're self-aware freely choosing beings' Only subjectively.

exactly

being a subject is like exactly what existentialism is all about

being for-itself rather than in-itself and all that jazz

And if the objectivty of diamat informs our subject, it is no longer a choice.

Sartrean existentialism never says that you control your situation, but you do have absolute control over how you react and what you do with those situations

And Sartre said that he was never more free than he was in prison, because he still had the freedom to interpret life, his situation and his own thought

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@dontchewglass But the arrow of time is linear. It is impossible to demonstrate this is true. In what way do we have control?

You have the absolute freedom to revolt, if you have no chains on your wrist, then you are physically free to punch a cop, organize, crush Capitalism

@dontchewglass But will you? The objective laws of the universe are deterministic. How does any definition of freedom exist here?

Diamat predicts revolutions, not because we choose it, but because social progress determines it.

self consciousness and subjectivity

thats how freedom exists

@not_matt So the introspective sense that 'it could have been different', the imagination of our conscious mind, shows we are free?

Seems like a redundant definition.

Just like individualism.

agree to disagree i guess, i should be studying for finals rn lmfao

@Deleted User
I conclude that the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave and undertake responsibility in the real world implies our ability to have free will; the capacity to make decisions that are irreducible to subconscious parameters: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002764213506215

> tfw my formerly liberal boyfriend is slowly radicalizing

he's bitching to me about united states imperialism >:)

Who owns the means of production in current America

"but maddy, we have to teach the savages using bombs!"

@★ Commissar Regi ★
The US government.

Is it possible for corporations to own the means, if so what would this be called

Corporatocracy.

capitalism lmao

I see, thanks fam

hey guys, i'm new here and i don't really have any strong views of my own. i'm just here to gain some knowledge and insight ☺

^^^

Same

Corporatism is the merger of state and corporate power

which is what capitalism inherently devolves into

can you expand on the notion of "merging?" what does that mean in this context exactly? subsidies?

Yeah, capitalism gives corporations and monopolies too much opportunity for power

@dontchewglass
I argue that it isn't capitalism unless all transactions are exclusively private and voluntary, which implies a free market. Corporatism is what you end up with when you start a nation with a _preexisting_ government infrastructure to interfere in the economy and draw out taxes and impose regulations and fees in order to sustain itself, which wouldn't be capitalism since the entire infrastructure requires coercion in order to sustain.

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 "the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave" Which is predetermined, not caused by 'free will'.

Do you guys even read Marx?

no, i'm new here 🤗

@Deleted User
No one argues for maximal autonomy. Also, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, lol.

Explains. Fair enough.

I essentially deny Marx and Engel's Dialectical Materialism framework of metaphysics.

@Mawk Would you like to? https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

lmao why is there an ancap in this chat

REEEEEE

>ancap

can someone give me a quick rundown on postmodernism? why is it so closely linked with leftist thinking? postmodernist and marxist have become synonymous from what i've seen at least

not that i've seen much tbh 😩

"an"cap

@Deleted User i'll bookmark it for later

ty

Ancap literally has the government get replaced by corporations, same thing tbh

@Mawk
Postmodernism can be summed up in one word: Deconstruction. What this means is that it's a framework of philosophy that questions and dismantles every single value system as a byproduct of history with no inherent merit. It's known now as Critical Theory.

@★ Commissar Regi ★
Difference between government and a business is that the government requires force, while a business requires the consumer's consent.

what would be an example of a value system?

does anyone have any clue of how one would hypothetically contact the IRPGF

Humanitarianism.
Utilitarianism.
Christian ethics.

ah ok

deontology

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 Corrrection: diamat is not metaphysics. It is scientific and objective.

@dontchewglass Why would you want to do something stupid like that?

@Deleted User
I argue otherwise, because it presupposes the naturalistic framework while dismissing the only verifiability that is subjective experience, i.e idealism:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13423-015-0890-8

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 " the only verifiability " Subjectvity verifies nothing. Logic and Reason do, which are not products of consciousness, but of the nervous system.

Do you call this document academic?

@Deleted User
Can you prove that? Is a materialistic framework more verifiable than a subjective one, where the only thing you're ever actually able to verify is your own direct experiential perception?

@Deleted User
Yes.

'Framework; is not necessary. Nor is verifiableness. If it were necessary for existance I would correctly attribute it to subjectivity.

Do I have to verify that the air is breathable?

@Deleted User
Logically speaking you can't prove that atoms and the void are all that exists when your mind is actually all you really have. I argue that it's not matter or energy that is the most fundamental, but information; defined simply as whatever subjective pattern that is.

@Deleted User
It's already self-evident as verification.

none of you are ubermensch, get out

Lel Nietzsche's Will to Power

My Willy has Power

Nietzche's guide to picking up women

This world: a monster of energy, without beginning, without end; a firm, iron magnitude of force that does not grow bigger or smaller, that does not expend itself but only transforms itself; as a whole, of unalterable size, a household without expenses or losses, but likewise without increase or income; enclosed by "nothingness" as by a boundary; not something blurry or wasted, not something endlessly extended, but set in a definite space as a definite force, and not a sphere that might be "empty" here or there, but rather as force throughout, as a play of forces and waves of forces, at the same time one and many, increasing here and at the same time decreasing there; a sea of forces flowing and rushing together, eternally changing, eternally flooding back, with tremendous years of recurrence, with an ebb and a flood of its forms; out of the simplest forms striving toward the most complex, out of the stillest, most rigid, coldest forms toward the hottest, most turbulent, most self -contradictory, and then again returning home to the simple out of this abundance, out of the play of contradictions back to the joy of concord, still affirming itself in this uniformity of its courses and its years, blessing itself as that which must return eternally, as a becoming that knows no satiety, no disgust, no weariness: this, my Dionysian world of the eternally self -creating, the eternally self- destroying, this mystery world of the twofold voluptuous delight, my "beyond good and evil," without goal, unless the joy of the circle is itself a goal; without will, unless a ring feels good will toward itself--do you want a name for this world? A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best-concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?-- This world is the will to power— and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power— and nothing besides!

wiat

"monster"

"energy"?

Monster Energy?

Thanks for the sophistry, Descartes. You need language to express that, firstly. Language is formed by mechanisms in the body which are materialistic realities. The first thing you encounter in your mind is not the first thing only the most present.

I thought you weren't aloud to advertise sports drinks here

@Deleted User
@danman1950
That's an excerpt from Friedrich Nietzsche's Will to Power.

fuck you guys, i'm masterbating in my barrel

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 I know I wasted 4 years of my life studying that shit.

@Deleted User
Whoa. Is that what philosophy really is like? Armchair ramblings?

@Deleted User nope you did it wrong, you fap in a barrel.that's how you really do it

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 Yes. RUN.

@Deleted User
Thanks for the advice. xD

so was nietzsche a hack?

@Mawk
If you read many of his writings, he appears as such.

how come?

@Mawk
He was incredibly pretentious and speculative when formulating his existential philosophy. He didn't really formalize it, but he did conceive of ideas that were formulated previously.

ty

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 So where does language come from? Subjectivity?

@Zielgerät
My philosophy doesn't exclusively reduce down to solipsism. It's a more developed framework of idealism where, in this case, language would originate from systems of information. This is an epistemic realism position, although there are many variations of it that deal with the underlying metaphysics. The _basic_ idea is that the World is an interface. Call it a simulation if you may.

Sounds fancy but what is the difference between 'systems of information' and material reality?

Instead of Bit from It, you get It from Bit. This concept reduces all of material reality to code that could potentially be replicated on a quantum computer, and theoretical physicists today are using this Information-Theoretic approach as a replacement for this previous spacetime-centric worldview, which was significantly more constrained. They've managed instead to reduce things to a more basic level, where networks and relations are actually more fundamental than the objects they are allegedly derived from.

Why go to that effort? Do you enjoy being a special snowflake?

@Deleted User
Well no. This is simply a novel view of the world that could actually yield more fruit than our current materialistic framework that puts everything in a box rather than seeing nature as it is. I plan on learning more about physics through this approach, as it's what many physicists have explained could lead to the Theory of Everything, reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity. Our current framework isn't capable of doing that; but this one aims to do so: http://www.quantumgravityresearch.org/publications

This seems like optimistic preference rather than a 'denial of diamat'. Can you summerize?

We can finish there.

20th century is materialism.
21st century is informational realism.

I leave it at that, lol.

I don't see the dichotomoy.

Both are scientific.

Has anyone looked at this? http://www.anti-dialectics.co.uk/

Rosa Lichtenstein is a “Wittgensteinian Trotskyist”

Is that a mental illness?

Diamat doesn't wor-

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I wish

So which /leftypol/ server is the REAL /leftypol/ server?

<:hrt:312036949453963264> 💰 💀 👌

All right wingers are Facists right?

I wish.

depends if they have beaten Tonyhawk Underground 2

Ленин

@Zielgerät#0138 did you make it yourself?

@Argonbalt#8016 there is no real. We are worldwide in every country on every language.

>Dzerzhinsky is admin

oh boy

Somebody has to do the dirty job.

Hello ppl

Heloo

@Georg Lucucks

Hello @Firefly

Nice picture

Is that galaxies?

This is a visual representation of diamat

@Georg Lucucks

I see

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By the fact that she's willing to appear soviet, you can tell she will swallow anything put in front of her.

The desirability of this trait, I suppose, is a function of the man's virility and mastery of the world.

Probably easier for a male on the low end of the dominance hierarchy to fantasize about a largely innocent and uneducated female.

Pure ideology.

Yeah cause men at the top rarely ever mate with numerous uneducated females who are woed with their powerful position COUGH COUGH groopies

Actually it's quite rare outside the art, occult, and entertainment worlds.

I get the feeling you have never been to a strip club or late night bar packed with buisness suit types

but then again of course not most anons never leave their shed

@OF-8 I'm into BDSM orgies myself

it also depends what you define as "educated", certain forms of education dont always grant one ample social skills

I don't really care if the bdsm is there or not

But orgies are dank 👌🏽👌🏽

Fam I'm a successful international business man, and I can tell you, only the degenerates behave that way.

The degenerates, however, are the loud ones so the "proles" only ever see those folks.

Oh yes i forgot you can afford higher tier "escorts" if you need company, it can be like Degeneracy+ plan

No. That's not how it works either.

@^̈́̀́ very costly escorts earn more than successful international business man

@Firefly lol

You have strange fantasies about your betters.

Yeah the super high tier state asset escorts are expensive af

There you're not paying for the sex but the confidentiality.

Maybe they are also smarter than them

Than their customers; absolutely.

Degenerates are usually in the political class and what do you do when you can't compete? You make up new rules.

I think you meant to say that politicians are more accountable socially so confidentiality is more useful, the buisness ubermensch's are assholes who are expected to be good at being assholes and earning cash so morals are subjective and unessasary.

Prototypical dialectic thinking.

Plus; I said precisely what I mean.

au contraire it was prototypical bantaliectics, at which you have clearly little experience

I've also never seen Star Wars. Do you feel superior in this later of ideology as well?

Layers on layers of ideology

Who can tell the difference anymore.

no Star Wars is pure monomyth and obsolescent as it bends to progresive liberalism

Absolutely Talmudic.

Yes Evangelion was a good show

I enjoyed it.

yo the fuck happened to the other discord server?

discord amongst the elites like always with communism

smh

what happened

idk just blame white people

why was there discord

no

i love whites

coup by the leaders

E-drama

power struggles for nerd power hirearchies

wth

why are all lefties except for me such idiots

fucken nerds

from what i understand it was nonpolitical

purely someone took someones mod powers away

so they through a shit fest

banned and purged everybody

there shouldnt be any hierarchy anyway

In all ages, the banter of man remains the same

time for black woman banter

> that will be any level of improvement

well yeah esp if its a qt

SHEEEEEEEEIT

Anyone who would want power on a discord server is a bad person, and bad people always eat each other.

It's an unwinnable situation which discord is designed to monetize.