Message from @dontchewglass

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2017-05-15 00:37:33 UTC  

And what he says is absolutely fine

2017-05-15 00:38:56 UTC  

i think his ideas on radiacal freedom are pretty anarchist imo

2017-05-15 00:38:59 UTC  

encouraging others to reject how Capitalist society defines them and to realize their absolute freedom is not contradictory to Communism

2017-05-15 00:39:01 UTC  

How do you reconcile existentialism and marxism?

2017-05-15 00:39:08 UTC  

He did become an Anarchist

2017-05-15 00:39:21 UTC  

i think he was jealous of camus

2017-05-15 00:39:43 UTC  

His existentialism did not contradict material analysis lmao

2017-05-15 00:40:29 UTC  

Nah, he just broke with the Marxist movements of his time, he was always p anti-authoritarian

2017-05-15 00:40:56 UTC  

the freakin intro to being and nothingness asserts his materialism and opposition to idealism

2017-05-15 00:41:00 UTC  

"The confrontation of existentialism with dialectical materialism is a genuine case of “either-or.”"

2017-05-15 00:41:23 UTC  

but can you seperate an ought from an is?

2017-05-15 00:42:36 UTC  

@danman1950 In what context?

2017-05-15 00:42:52 UTC  

@Deleted User in memes

2017-05-15 00:43:22 UTC  

that article says camus is an existentialist lol

2017-05-15 00:43:41 UTC  

He said he wasn't, but in effect p much was

2017-05-15 00:44:17 UTC  

i find absurdism to be distinct from existentialism

2017-05-15 00:44:31 UTC  

could just be because camus was more literary than philosophical tbh

2017-05-15 00:44:45 UTC  

I always thought of Absurdism as a sort of branch of Existentialism

2017-05-15 00:44:51 UTC  

fair

2017-05-15 00:45:40 UTC  

mfw Heidegger was a good philosopher in an apolitical sense but his politics were literally as bad as possible

2017-05-15 00:45:46 UTC  

What do y'all think of state capitalism

2017-05-15 00:45:54 UTC  

ew state capitalism

2017-05-15 00:46:03 UTC  

heidegger is fucking hilarious in how bad his politics are

2017-05-15 00:46:33 UTC  

>government can plan the economy
Sounds comfy to me desu

2017-05-15 00:46:39 UTC  

state capitalism is gross

2017-05-15 00:46:55 UTC  

workers don't own the means of production >: (

2017-05-15 00:47:23 UTC  

😡

2017-05-15 00:47:25 UTC  

I mean I realize that analyzing ML states as State Capitalist definitely defends on your definition of socialism obviously

2017-05-15 00:47:58 UTC  

whether you view it as a transitional phase of the reversal of class repression or as worker's control

2017-05-15 00:47:59 UTC  

What happens when the scientific guide of Diamat conflicts with the 'be yourself' model of existentialism? Do you explode?

2017-05-15 00:48:12 UTC  

yeah

2017-05-15 00:49:10 UTC  

in all seriousness thats the whole paradox of human existence isnt it. we're self-aware freely choosing beings who are also driven by our material circumstances

2017-05-15 00:49:47 UTC  

There's a difference between scientifically analyzing how material forces and class drive history and encouraging individuals to act without forgetting that they are ultimately free, and encouraging them to be free

2017-05-15 00:49:56 UTC  

@not_matt 'we're self-aware freely choosing beings' Only subjectively.

2017-05-15 00:50:02 UTC  

exactly

2017-05-15 00:50:25 UTC  

being a subject is like exactly what existentialism is all about

2017-05-15 00:50:49 UTC  

being for-itself rather than in-itself and all that jazz

2017-05-15 00:55:06 UTC  

And if the objectivty of diamat informs our subject, it is no longer a choice.

2017-05-15 00:56:32 UTC  

Sartrean existentialism never says that you control your situation, but you do have absolute control over how you react and what you do with those situations

2017-05-15 00:57:39 UTC  

And Sartre said that he was never more free than he was in prison, because he still had the freedom to interpret life, his situation and his own thought