Message from @dontchewglass

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2017-05-15 00:40:29 UTC  

Nah, he just broke with the Marxist movements of his time, he was always p anti-authoritarian

2017-05-15 00:40:56 UTC  

the freakin intro to being and nothingness asserts his materialism and opposition to idealism

2017-05-15 00:41:00 UTC  

"The confrontation of existentialism with dialectical materialism is a genuine case of “either-or.”"

2017-05-15 00:41:23 UTC  

but can you seperate an ought from an is?

2017-05-15 00:42:36 UTC  

@danman1950 In what context?

2017-05-15 00:42:52 UTC  

@Deleted User in memes

2017-05-15 00:43:22 UTC  

that article says camus is an existentialist lol

2017-05-15 00:43:41 UTC  

He said he wasn't, but in effect p much was

2017-05-15 00:44:17 UTC  

i find absurdism to be distinct from existentialism

2017-05-15 00:44:31 UTC  

could just be because camus was more literary than philosophical tbh

2017-05-15 00:44:45 UTC  

I always thought of Absurdism as a sort of branch of Existentialism

2017-05-15 00:44:51 UTC  

fair

2017-05-15 00:45:40 UTC  

mfw Heidegger was a good philosopher in an apolitical sense but his politics were literally as bad as possible

2017-05-15 00:45:46 UTC  

What do y'all think of state capitalism

2017-05-15 00:45:54 UTC  

ew state capitalism

2017-05-15 00:46:03 UTC  

heidegger is fucking hilarious in how bad his politics are

2017-05-15 00:46:33 UTC  

>government can plan the economy
Sounds comfy to me desu

2017-05-15 00:46:39 UTC  

state capitalism is gross

2017-05-15 00:46:55 UTC  

workers don't own the means of production >: (

2017-05-15 00:47:23 UTC  

😡

2017-05-15 00:47:25 UTC  

I mean I realize that analyzing ML states as State Capitalist definitely defends on your definition of socialism obviously

2017-05-15 00:47:58 UTC  

whether you view it as a transitional phase of the reversal of class repression or as worker's control

2017-05-15 00:47:59 UTC  

What happens when the scientific guide of Diamat conflicts with the 'be yourself' model of existentialism? Do you explode?

2017-05-15 00:48:12 UTC  

yeah

2017-05-15 00:49:10 UTC  

in all seriousness thats the whole paradox of human existence isnt it. we're self-aware freely choosing beings who are also driven by our material circumstances

2017-05-15 00:49:47 UTC  

There's a difference between scientifically analyzing how material forces and class drive history and encouraging individuals to act without forgetting that they are ultimately free, and encouraging them to be free

2017-05-15 00:49:56 UTC  

@not_matt 'we're self-aware freely choosing beings' Only subjectively.

2017-05-15 00:50:02 UTC  

exactly

2017-05-15 00:50:25 UTC  

being a subject is like exactly what existentialism is all about

2017-05-15 00:50:49 UTC  

being for-itself rather than in-itself and all that jazz

2017-05-15 00:55:06 UTC  

And if the objectivty of diamat informs our subject, it is no longer a choice.

2017-05-15 00:56:32 UTC  

Sartrean existentialism never says that you control your situation, but you do have absolute control over how you react and what you do with those situations

2017-05-15 00:57:39 UTC  

And Sartre said that he was never more free than he was in prison, because he still had the freedom to interpret life, his situation and his own thought

2017-05-15 00:57:40 UTC  

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2017-05-15 00:57:46 UTC  

@dontchewglass But the arrow of time is linear. It is impossible to demonstrate this is true. In what way do we have control?

2017-05-15 00:59:24 UTC  

You have the absolute freedom to revolt, if you have no chains on your wrist, then you are physically free to punch a cop, organize, crush Capitalism

2017-05-15 01:00:42 UTC  

@dontchewglass But will you? The objective laws of the universe are deterministic. How does any definition of freedom exist here?

2017-05-15 01:01:49 UTC  

Diamat predicts revolutions, not because we choose it, but because social progress determines it.

2017-05-15 01:01:52 UTC  

self consciousness and subjectivity

2017-05-15 01:02:08 UTC  

thats how freedom exists

2017-05-15 01:03:55 UTC  

@not_matt So the introspective sense that 'it could have been different', the imagination of our conscious mind, shows we are free?