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2017-07-25 08:48:31 UTC

I mean jesus, you sounded reasonable at first but then you said shit like that.

2017-07-25 08:48:42 UTC

And not to Cancuun, I mean actually travel.

2017-07-25 08:49:13 UTC

Any conversation from now on, I'll know the ideology hiding behind your words.

2017-07-25 08:49:20 UTC

Thanks for revealing yourself early, I guess.

2017-07-25 08:49:24 UTC

I am reasonable. I never said they couldn't evolve, they simply didn't have to based on seasonal changes, or the lack thereof.

2017-07-25 08:49:43 UTC

technology is just a tool

2017-07-25 08:49:44 UTC

Uh-huh.

2017-07-25 08:49:48 UTC

There is nothing hiding, if you think I'm a supremacist or some nonsense.

2017-07-25 08:49:57 UTC

Mhm

2017-07-25 08:50:04 UTC

it doesn't change anything by itself, it depends on how it's used

2017-07-25 08:50:48 UTC

even if almost everything is done by robots, the increase in production will only benefit the ruling class

2017-07-25 08:50:51 UTC

Well, then you don't understand Darwinian theory. It's simple evolution, as you yourself pointed out, and you also said all humans weren't created equally, you agreed to this to an extent.

2017-07-25 08:51:05 UTC
2017-07-25 08:51:28 UTC

evolutionary, we really haven't changed that much in that amount of time

2017-07-25 08:51:32 UTC

Africa is pretty fucked up, but if I traveled there, went to a city like Cape Town and talked to a black person, all African all the way back, they would probably be a typical working class person who works every day to get by.

2017-07-25 08:51:34 UTC

@Deleted User there won't be a bourgeoisie if you kill them all ๐Ÿค”

2017-07-25 08:51:42 UTC

I like that thinking ๐Ÿ˜„

2017-07-25 08:52:06 UTC

also there have been communist regimes in Africa...

2017-07-25 08:52:13 UTC

Cape Town? You mean a place settled by whites and holds European society?

2017-07-25 08:52:24 UTC

they were overthrown by American influence though

2017-07-25 08:52:28 UTC

@Deleted User angola best country

2017-07-25 08:52:32 UTC

So black people who live there have evolved just the perfect amount in 400 years?

2017-07-25 08:52:35 UTC

How about you go to the Congo.

2017-07-25 08:52:42 UTC

e.g. Thomas Sankara

2017-07-25 08:52:45 UTC

No, how about you say something that makes sense.

2017-07-25 08:52:59 UTC

(Burkina Faso)

2017-07-25 08:53:03 UTC

If I lived in a jungle, I'd probably be pretty fucked up too.

2017-07-25 08:53:11 UTC

I am, I'm talking about evolution and you exempt human races from that for some reason.

2017-07-25 08:54:09 UTC

So did the black people in Cape Town just evolve at an accelerated rate for the past 500 years?

2017-07-25 08:54:32 UTC

No, they were taught to act a certain way because of those in power.

2017-07-25 08:54:54 UTC

the problem is the relation of Africa and the 3rd world to the 1st world, namely the economic relationship

2017-07-25 08:55:02 UTC

Okay, so why would you assume it is any different for you?

2017-07-25 08:55:11 UTC

Now that Mandela took over in the 90's and Zimbabwe lost all its white people, they actually forgot how to farm and are starving. What does that tell you?

2017-07-25 08:55:22 UTC

African countries export raw materials to the West, which are then manufactured and sold back to them

2017-07-25 08:55:25 UTC

Are you sure the reason you are the way you are is not because you have been taught to act certain ways by people in power?

2017-07-25 08:55:26 UTC

It shows that Society is Racial construct, not the other way around.

2017-07-25 08:55:32 UTC

as well as the waste being sent back as well

2017-07-25 08:56:04 UTC

Yeah, nothing to say about it.

2017-07-25 08:56:06 UTC

Mmk.

2017-07-25 08:56:07 UTC

there's a lack of funds due to having to privatize your entire country if you want loans from the IMF, as well as U.S. and European funds for African dictators and warlords

2017-07-25 08:56:12 UTC

Africa should be left alone, honestly.

2017-07-25 08:56:24 UTC

No chance.

2017-07-25 08:56:31 UTC

Do you realize how much they are sitting on?

2017-07-25 08:56:43 UTC

As long as currency exists, Africa will be exploited.

2017-07-25 08:57:26 UTC

it leads to a situation where countries in the area are ruthlessly exploited by warlords in the service of countries and capitalists to the extent that they have no real chance to get anywhere as countries

2017-07-25 08:57:49 UTC

And yes, we were taught to live a certain way, but we also evolved to live this certain way, many thousands of years ago. While the Romans had aquaducts, the Africans were in mud huts... like they are today. Shaka Zulu invented the Short Spear in the 1880's, the predicesor to the sword. That's proof enough of intellectual evolution.

2017-07-25 08:57:54 UTC

how China is treating Africa is actually a significant improvement over the past

2017-07-25 08:57:56 UTC

Brought to you by Capitalism in the First Place

2017-07-25 08:57:59 UTC

Capitalism is shit tho

2017-07-25 08:58:21 UTC

Capitalism, in a rampant form, is a plague.

2017-07-25 08:58:30 UTC

no, capitalism in general is a plague

2017-07-25 08:58:47 UTC

We need a balance of Socialist and Capitalist policies.

2017-07-25 08:58:55 UTC

We need nothing from Africa

2017-07-25 08:59:07 UTC

socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the working class

2017-07-25 08:59:09 UTC

Capitalism in the First Placeยฎ, never a good idea if you want ancient museums of natural history like the entire continent of Africa to be free from exploitation.

2017-07-25 08:59:26 UTC

capitalism is the theft of surplus value from the owners of capital

2017-07-25 08:59:34 UTC

the two are mutually exclusive

2017-07-25 08:59:48 UTC

@Deleted User no, that's communism, different than socialism.

2017-07-25 08:59:55 UTC

don't be a stupid american

2017-07-25 08:59:58 UTC

I've actually met people who think "surplus value" is a myth

2017-07-25 09:00:13 UTC

A CEO making a hundred million a year is not a myth.

2017-07-25 09:00:31 UTC

the distinction between communism and socialism is very vague and post-dates Marx

2017-07-25 09:00:45 UTC

what you're thinking of is a welfare state, not socialism

2017-07-25 09:00:54 UTC

I'm simply saying that Socialism is not having the means of production in the hands of the people, that's communism.

2017-07-25 09:00:59 UTC

social policies are not the same as socialism

2017-07-25 09:01:01 UTC

No, that is socialism.

2017-07-25 09:01:11 UTC

Communism is a stateless classless society characterized by that phenomenon.

2017-07-25 09:01:35 UTC

With the means of production being in the hands of the people who operate it.

2017-07-25 09:01:41 UTC

Yes.

2017-07-25 09:01:46 UTC

Communism is socialistic.

2017-07-25 09:01:46 UTC

Socialism is not that.

2017-07-25 09:01:50 UTC

Yes.

2017-07-25 09:01:53 UTC

socialism is that

2017-07-25 09:01:57 UTC

it is not a welfare state

2017-07-25 09:02:09 UTC

Yeah you're thinking of social democracy

2017-07-25 09:02:16 UTC

Which I don't mind, but it's not socialism.

2017-07-25 09:02:28 UTC

It's better than capitalism because it forces capital to "care" more.

2017-07-25 09:02:30 UTC

Agreed, it's not a welfare state, but it also does not abolish classes or put the means of production in the hands of the workers.

2017-07-25 09:02:35 UTC

Puts people in a better position in their lives.

2017-07-25 09:02:50 UTC

socialism is the abolition of classes and the means of production in the hands of the workers

2017-07-25 09:02:59 UTC

That's communism

2017-07-25 09:03:08 UTC

but in the Leninist narrative, the distinction is if there is a state or not

2017-07-25 09:03:11 UTC

Communism involves abolition of the state.

2017-07-25 09:03:20 UTC

Nothing short of it and it's not communism.

2017-07-25 09:03:30 UTC

If you still have a state, you are not communist.

2017-07-25 09:03:33 UTC

You're just commies.

2017-07-25 09:03:50 UTC

Socialism has a state.

2017-07-25 09:03:56 UTC

It might.

2017-07-25 09:04:03 UTC

There is stateless socialism.

2017-07-25 09:04:08 UTC

The very notion of the Social Contract is Statist.

2017-07-25 09:04:17 UTC

Not at all.

2017-07-25 09:04:25 UTC

Yes, it's called communism, if there is no state and is socialist.

2017-07-25 09:04:28 UTC

But I believe in democracy.

2017-07-25 09:04:34 UTC

Well... there isn't stateless socialism.

2017-07-25 09:04:43 UTC

I don't believe in democracy.

2017-07-25 09:05:00 UTC

There is stateless socialism. Anarcho-socialism is a thing that exists.

2017-07-25 09:05:13 UTC

@Deleted User That's why Communism is a utopian ideal that cannot exist.

2017-07-25 09:05:32 UTC

all ideals cannot exist

2017-07-25 09:05:36 UTC

You cannot have anarchy and socialism.

2017-07-25 09:05:36 UTC

that's why they're called ideals

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