Message from @Deleted User

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2017-07-25 08:56:24 UTC  

No chance.

2017-07-25 08:56:31 UTC  

Do you realize how much they are sitting on?

2017-07-25 08:56:43 UTC  

As long as currency exists, Africa will be exploited.

2017-07-25 08:57:26 UTC  

it leads to a situation where countries in the area are ruthlessly exploited by warlords in the service of countries and capitalists to the extent that they have no real chance to get anywhere as countries

2017-07-25 08:57:49 UTC  

And yes, we were taught to live a certain way, but we also evolved to live this certain way, many thousands of years ago. While the Romans had aquaducts, the Africans were in mud huts... like they are today. Shaka Zulu invented the Short Spear in the 1880's, the predicesor to the sword. That's proof enough of intellectual evolution.

2017-07-25 08:57:54 UTC  

how China is treating Africa is actually a significant improvement over the past

2017-07-25 08:57:56 UTC  

Brought to you by Capitalism in the First Place

2017-07-25 08:57:59 UTC  

Capitalism is shit tho

2017-07-25 08:58:21 UTC  

Capitalism, in a rampant form, is a plague.

2017-07-25 08:58:30 UTC  

no, capitalism in general is a plague

2017-07-25 08:58:47 UTC  

We need a balance of Socialist and Capitalist policies.

2017-07-25 08:58:55 UTC  

We need nothing from Africa

2017-07-25 08:59:07 UTC  

socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the working class

2017-07-25 08:59:09 UTC  

Capitalism in the First PlaceĀ®, never a good idea if you want ancient museums of natural history like the entire continent of Africa to be free from exploitation.

2017-07-25 08:59:26 UTC  

capitalism is the theft of surplus value from the owners of capital

2017-07-25 08:59:34 UTC  

the two are mutually exclusive

2017-07-25 08:59:48 UTC  

@Deleted User no, that's communism, different than socialism.

2017-07-25 08:59:55 UTC  

don't be a stupid american

2017-07-25 08:59:58 UTC  

I've actually met people who think "surplus value" is a myth

2017-07-25 09:00:13 UTC  

A CEO making a hundred million a year is not a myth.

2017-07-25 09:00:31 UTC  

the distinction between communism and socialism is very vague and post-dates Marx

2017-07-25 09:00:45 UTC  

what you're thinking of is a welfare state, not socialism

2017-07-25 09:00:54 UTC  

I'm simply saying that Socialism is not having the means of production in the hands of the people, that's communism.

2017-07-25 09:00:59 UTC  

social policies are not the same as socialism

2017-07-25 09:01:01 UTC  

No, that is socialism.

2017-07-25 09:01:11 UTC  

Communism is a stateless classless society characterized by that phenomenon.

2017-07-25 09:01:35 UTC  

With the means of production being in the hands of the people who operate it.

2017-07-25 09:01:41 UTC  

Yes.

2017-07-25 09:01:46 UTC  

Communism is socialistic.

2017-07-25 09:01:46 UTC  

Socialism is not that.

2017-07-25 09:01:50 UTC  

Yes.

2017-07-25 09:01:53 UTC  

socialism is that

2017-07-25 09:01:57 UTC  

it is not a welfare state

2017-07-25 09:02:09 UTC  

Yeah you're thinking of social democracy

2017-07-25 09:02:16 UTC  

Which I don't mind, but it's not socialism.

2017-07-25 09:02:28 UTC  

It's better than capitalism because it forces capital to "care" more.

2017-07-25 09:02:30 UTC  

Agreed, it's not a welfare state, but it also does not abolish classes or put the means of production in the hands of the workers.

2017-07-25 09:02:35 UTC  

Puts people in a better position in their lives.

2017-07-25 09:02:50 UTC  

socialism is the abolition of classes and the means of production in the hands of the workers

2017-07-25 09:02:59 UTC  

That's communism

2017-07-25 09:03:08 UTC  

but in the Leninist narrative, the distinction is if there is a state or not