I suppose most of us here don't want the citizens starving

Or just living a miserable living condition

I doubt anything but authoritorian state-capitalism would've been as good for russia at that time

@ClibtardMario so if there will be crisis of capitalism will you join us?

Nope

But you don't like seeing people starving?

Because capitalism right now is being moved by overspending and government intense regulation (i.e. keynesianism)

I'm calling for a crash within a year or so

Yes, and if it is in crisis and makes people starve it should go, right?

Most people think like that?

keynes isn't regulations is it? isn't it more about spending

that'll be socdem

Both

@Firefly I blame the last capitalist crises on keynesianism.

what do you blame the great recession on?

@ClibtardMario I'm just trying to follow your logic.

@Sampuka Federal Reserve monetary loosening and government deficit spending

Plus some laws enacted by Clinton which increased the governments incentives on housing ownership

@ClibtardMario If people starve we do not want that and we change the system, right?

it was an interesting time because it changed economic theory so much

from neoclassical to keynes

@Firefly If people start to starve under the current system, change it to free market capitalism.

You want those people to be able to work hard and make a better life for themselves if they're not in need of immediate help by say war

@ClibtardMario In free market people never strave?

Not really @Sampuka , keynesianism has been widely used since the start of the 1970s

wait, we're talking about to different recessions then

Started by the 70s, paused a bit under Reagan (which was still fiscal populist) and then returned full speed

@Firefly Most don't.

@ClibtardMario And the rest is not free market, right?

No

Like England

Or USA

Am I tlaking about great depression then?

Yes?

america sure finds some good names

If after free market capitalism by X time there are still people out there starving, I'd rather blame FMC

Ironically though, food stamps are actually cheap and are widely recognized as an efficient welfare for FMC systems

@ClibtardMario So we blame someone if we starve under capitalism?

Blame the current system.

If it has been used by enough time though

@ClibtardMario what do you think of non-capitalist free market ideologies?

@ClibtardMario The capitalist system?

>Non-capitalist
>Free market
hahaha

>free market is what defines capitalism

wew

@Firefly It really depends about which deaths you are blaming.

America

@ClibtardMario We don't blame the capitalist sytsem?

America isn't FMC

boi

why do all political terms have such weird meanings in america? from anarchism to libertarianism to socialism?

I don't blame capitalism because it is a far too broad of a denomination. So I just attack the specific viewpoint applied

@ClibtardMario So capitalism as a system cannot be blamed?

It can, but blaming it is too broad

can any american answer my question?

@ClibtardMario In which cases it can be blamed and in which it cannot be?

Capitalism can range from ancap to fully fledged state capitalism

Name me a situation in which a capitalistic system would lead to starvation

bad weather

I can only think of two, food shortages and your own fault

@Firefly If capitalism has been applied by enough time and there are still people suffering under it, then its capitalism fault. But I repeat myself, blame capitalism alone is too broad because then you can be blaming one or more than 10 different systems

those 10 systems share some things

@ClibtardMario so you can't blame capitalism. But you can blame socialism, right?

you can blame those

So far, I'm blaming keynesianism for 1970s stagflation, 1995-2001 bubble, 2002-2008 bubble and 2009-2017/18 bubble.

though you cant conclude

@Firefly I just said you can ffs

capitalism simply gives you the freedom, socialism puts rules on what you can and can't do

@ClibtardMario I'm asking not about how it is so far.

@ClibtardMario what about great depression? that was what I tried to ask before

@Timo))) state capitalism does too

anarchism doesn't

Not in the same exctent

FED's loosening and government subsidies which ended up in overproduction

I'm not arguing for anarchism

you're simplifying it

capitalism both can and cannot

as with socialism

Stocks at the time were booming because cheap credit was being unleashed on economy and because government incentives just increased production, at the long-term expense of huge deflations

Because that is the fundamental difference between capitalism and socialism, the freedom

no?

that's between socdem and right-libertarianism

boxxy lost her charm

^

russian propaganda aesthetics aren't as good as china's were

chinese revolutionary peasant best aesthetic

were soviet union and china ever friends?

yah American kinda butchers european political words

They were in an Allience.

like libertarian means something different in europe

libertarianism hardly even lives in europa from what i've seen

shame tbh

Was it called the The Sino-Soviet Treaty?

well libertarian in eruope pretty much is ancom

for the most part

libertarianism hasn't really been a thing in America

@ClibtardMario You can blame a certain type of capitalism and cannot blame the actual system?

only """libertarianism"""