I like to identify myself as a Bourbon Democrat, for the sake of simplicity

LOL

More of a driving force in the academic area, compared to europe

modern europa or america has none of it

@Firefly ffs you can blame both, but if you are going to blame capitalism, please identify which of the 1289405 kinds of viewpoint

you'd have to look to Rojava I guess

@ClibtardMario Do you do the same about socialism?

Socialism is only one system, at least according to M-L

So I can only really blame socialism

@ClibtardMario you can blame the thing that makes them all capitalism

@ClibtardMario I'm M-L, socialism can be different.

why we would blame the most successful system is the question

Show me how then

@ClibtardMario You literally tell me what I think.

You don't compare a system to utopia

is Liberal the most raped word in poilitical discourse?

or is there a worse one?

socialism isn't as butchered

Btw, heres what a Bourbon Democrat is:
```Bourbon Democrats were promoters of a form of laissez-faire capitalism which included opposition to the protectionism that the Republicans were then advocating as well as fiscal discipline. They represented business interests, generally supporting the goals of banking and railroads but opposed to subsidies for them and were unwilling to protect them from competition. They opposed imperialism and U.S. overseas expansion, fought for the gold standard, and opposed bimetallism and promoted hard and sound money. Strong supporters of reform movements such as the Civil Service Reform and opponents of the corrupt city bosses, Bourbons led the fight against the Tweed Ring.```

100% match with me ngl

opposed imperialism nice

socialism is butchered to hell to the point that on one knows what the original meaning is anymore XD

Bring back Grover Cleveland by the fucking third time

american's consider sweden socialist

lmao

@Taylor☭ well at least some people do

but liberal means a millino things

yah it does

yep

at least socialism means socdem in america

i've seen americans call anarchist who riot liberal

specially when you apply to local politics

@ClibtardMario what else do I think?

[Talks about Sudanese politics] "I am a conservative"
"But what are you even going to keep?"

@Firefly Idk?

@ClibtardMario You just told me

you mean reactionary

does anyone vc

in here ?

I hate typing

XD

@ClibtardMario It seems you can read my mind

Interesting

also can political parties just fuck off with their names? we have like 7 socdem parties in denmark but only one calls themselves it

Now I'll stop to read your mind and play some agar.io, I'm bored af

>Denmark

Is there any danish FDP?

FDP?

@ClibtardMario Come more to talk with me.

German classical liberal party

@Firefly Ask me shit and tag me, gotta answer later

what is it about neoclassical theory that makes people reject it in favor of classical?

I don't even know whats the point of neoclassical economics ngl

there's a party calling themselves the liberal party, they're the free-market party

And just a reminder that Scandinavia was wealthier back in 1950-60

>search "denmark median income graph"

>the results are for america

KEK

the taxes in denmark is crazy though

^

Denmark is just afloat because like all of Scandinavia, they've ended social security and started a system of pensions by capitalization back in the 1990 Crisis

Otherwise, RIP

social democracy can survive because of imperialism

not that america is much different

What was different about scandinavian countries in 1950s then now

just curious

can someone else find some data about scandinavian incomes?

They had no welfare

IIRC there is GDP, brb

there was welfare in the 50s pretty sure

But was the link to increased wealth due to a lack of wealth fair ?

or at least the socdem movement had begun

http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1852563.html

rip, my source is apparently offline

GDP isn't very helpful tbh

I like income better

median

taking buying power into account

is there a problem with this?

@Sampuka Socdem started off in the early 60s, or by the 1970s

the movement started in the 20s though

There was some welfare before, yes, but it swelled after social-democrat reforms were implemented

the famous social democrat premiermenister was in 1924

effective reforms started off 40-50 years later tho

doubt it, but I don't know for sure

Social democracies only work on wealthy countries who implement economic liberalism tbh

well buying power is an important factor to see how rich a country is

And it's not certain that the welfare state will be kept sustainable

they only work with countries that are imperialist

Define "imperialism"

in other words why venezuela failed

you can easy figure out some buying power if you look at inflation and the costs of living

Venezuela was straight collectivism, it's different

imperialism in capitalism is buying very very cheap labor from poor countries

Government kept seizing foreign property and private property as a whole and spread their tentacles over oil industry, which became the walking stick of venezuelan economy

well it tried, but it wasn't collectivized

That's not imperialism though, that's just trade opportunism

"imperialism in capitalism is buying very very cheap labor from poor countries" i agree

Venezuela shot intself in the foot by making it so hard for foreign investers

^