existentialism i mean

Being a communist isn't the same as signing away your individual autonomy and having your own personal interests

(and just because i like existentialism doesn't mean other thinkers won't address the same issues and questions, schelling comes to mind as explaining why we are radically free and individuals but obviously w/o the same context to work with as jps)

@petit bourgeois Thanks! Always great to meet a fan

i actually met a fan in real life one time, one of the Knights For Socialism in Orlando. It was so weird but awesome

Phenomenology et al. is masturbation. The focus is wrong. It is a reflection of the material world not the centre of it. How do you even call yourself a Marxist?

ah the old metaphysics is masturbation meme

You do know Sartre was avowedly Marxist for the majority of his life, right?

https://images.jacobinmag.com/2017/04/17759700_1709890315704329_7359977960302963299_n.png

sartre and de beauvoir both afaik

Yep

I care what a man says not who he keep company with.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-communist-party-has-one-objective-the-creation-of-a-socialist-economy-and-one-means-jean-paul-sartre-107-96-85.jpg

And what he says is absolutely fine

i think his ideas on radiacal freedom are pretty anarchist imo

encouraging others to reject how Capitalist society defines them and to realize their absolute freedom is not contradictory to Communism

How do you reconcile existentialism and marxism?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/novack/works/history/ch12.htm

He did become an Anarchist

i think he was jealous of camus

His existentialism did not contradict material analysis lmao

Nah, he just broke with the Marxist movements of his time, he was always p anti-authoritarian

the freakin intro to being and nothingness asserts his materialism and opposition to idealism

"The confrontation of existentialism with dialectical materialism is a genuine case of “either-or.”"

but can you seperate an ought from an is?

@danman1950 In what context?

@Deleted User in memes

that article says camus is an existentialist lol

He said he wasn't, but in effect p much was

i find absurdism to be distinct from existentialism

could just be because camus was more literary than philosophical tbh

I always thought of Absurdism as a sort of branch of Existentialism

fair

mfw Heidegger was a good philosopher in an apolitical sense but his politics were literally as bad as possible

What do y'all think of state capitalism

ew state capitalism

heidegger is fucking hilarious in how bad his politics are

>government can plan the economy
Sounds comfy to me desu

state capitalism is gross

workers don't own the means of production >: (

😡

I mean I realize that analyzing ML states as State Capitalist definitely defends on your definition of socialism obviously

whether you view it as a transitional phase of the reversal of class repression or as worker's control

What happens when the scientific guide of Diamat conflicts with the 'be yourself' model of existentialism? Do you explode?

yeah

in all seriousness thats the whole paradox of human existence isnt it. we're self-aware freely choosing beings who are also driven by our material circumstances

There's a difference between scientifically analyzing how material forces and class drive history and encouraging individuals to act without forgetting that they are ultimately free, and encouraging them to be free

@not_matt 'we're self-aware freely choosing beings' Only subjectively.

exactly

being a subject is like exactly what existentialism is all about

being for-itself rather than in-itself and all that jazz

And if the objectivty of diamat informs our subject, it is no longer a choice.

Sartrean existentialism never says that you control your situation, but you do have absolute control over how you react and what you do with those situations

And Sartre said that he was never more free than he was in prison, because he still had the freedom to interpret life, his situation and his own thought

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@dontchewglass But the arrow of time is linear. It is impossible to demonstrate this is true. In what way do we have control?

You have the absolute freedom to revolt, if you have no chains on your wrist, then you are physically free to punch a cop, organize, crush Capitalism

@dontchewglass But will you? The objective laws of the universe are deterministic. How does any definition of freedom exist here?

Diamat predicts revolutions, not because we choose it, but because social progress determines it.

self consciousness and subjectivity

thats how freedom exists

@not_matt So the introspective sense that 'it could have been different', the imagination of our conscious mind, shows we are free?

Seems like a redundant definition.

Just like individualism.

agree to disagree i guess, i should be studying for finals rn lmfao

@Deleted User
I conclude that the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave and undertake responsibility in the real world implies our ability to have free will; the capacity to make decisions that are irreducible to subconscious parameters: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002764213506215

> tfw my formerly liberal boyfriend is slowly radicalizing

he's bitching to me about united states imperialism >:)

Who owns the means of production in current America

"but maddy, we have to teach the savages using bombs!"

@★ Commissar Regi ★
The US government.

Is it possible for corporations to own the means, if so what would this be called

Corporatocracy.

capitalism lmao

I see, thanks fam

hey guys, i'm new here and i don't really have any strong views of my own. i'm just here to gain some knowledge and insight ☺

^^^

Same

Corporatism is the merger of state and corporate power

which is what capitalism inherently devolves into

can you expand on the notion of "merging?" what does that mean in this context exactly? subsidies?

Yeah, capitalism gives corporations and monopolies too much opportunity for power

@dontchewglass
I argue that it isn't capitalism unless all transactions are exclusively private and voluntary, which implies a free market. Corporatism is what you end up with when you start a nation with a _preexisting_ government infrastructure to interfere in the economy and draw out taxes and impose regulations and fees in order to sustain itself, which wouldn't be capitalism since the entire infrastructure requires coercion in order to sustain.

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 "the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave" Which is predetermined, not caused by 'free will'.

Do you guys even read Marx?

no, i'm new here 🤗

@Deleted User
No one argues for maximal autonomy. Also, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, lol.

Explains. Fair enough.

I essentially deny Marx and Engel's Dialectical Materialism framework of metaphysics.

@Mawk Would you like to? https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

lmao why is there an ancap in this chat

REEEEEE

>ancap

can someone give me a quick rundown on postmodernism? why is it so closely linked with leftist thinking? postmodernist and marxist have become synonymous from what i've seen at least

not that i've seen much tbh 😩

"an"cap

@Deleted User i'll bookmark it for later

ty

Ancap literally has the government get replaced by corporations, same thing tbh

@Mawk
Postmodernism can be summed up in one word: Deconstruction. What this means is that it's a framework of philosophy that questions and dismantles every single value system as a byproduct of history with no inherent merit. It's known now as Critical Theory.