@Firefly That is a good observation.

@Deleted User are you NatSoc, Fascist?

@Firefly Not really, not anymore. I still like Wehrmacht aesthetics though.

Fascism is viscerally satisfying but it does not withstand deep analysis.

For me the connection is spiritual.

It still shapes a lot of my thought patterns and intuitive values.

@Deleted User you are into Strasserism? Karl Jung all the way?

I would say I am a Fascist. I think Strasserism is redundant. I believe that a strong state can prevent the problems of Capitalism. I liken Fascism to building a giant moat around the castle nation. International market forces that do not serve the state are forbidden.

Theoretically of course. In reality I have no pathway to implement a Fascist state.

On Carl Jung I have little interest. I prefer the likes of Martin Heidegger for informing a Fascist worldview.

The shortcoming of Fascism is that it is not international and has no 'end game'. When Fascism destroys its last enemy, it dies along with it.

In order to reconcile this, you have to become more and more self-destructive, the ultimate ends is to die in a blaze of glory and there is no further question about it. Where someone asks 'what is the goal of Fascism', the answer is defeatist. Fascism is the the fetish of struggle and human sacrifice.

It refuses to answer the highest aims. It posits a brutal honesty: we are born to fight and to die, stop asking stupid questions.

After all, Hitler was an artist, not a technician.

Nice, by the depth of you questions yesterday I thought you are much smarter than that.

Haha

Tell us more about Heidegger

Oh dear...

Is he better than Dugin?

I've read some fascists. Was not imperessed. So far Dugin been better than the rest

Try this http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/hrp/issues/1991/Stepanich.pdf

I'm on mobile

I'll do later

https://www.academia.edu/540032/A_Field_Guide_to_Heidegger_Understanding_The_Question_concerning_Technology?auto=download

@Zielgerät what do you think of Marxism? Did you read Marx?

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@Firefly I read bits and pieces from marxists.org. I am hear to learn. I particular respect Stalin and his approach. I was surprised to learn that he is not universally hated by the Left, or not only ironically supported.

@Deleted User what is a death tall in gulags?

I don't really care.

Approximate

I don't know, a few million. Did I pass?

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@Deleted User nope

Our estimates of 600k both criminal and not.

OK. You have to realise I am desensitised to moral arguments.

It is always contextual.

Knowledge is important

You're right. How many jews did Hitler gas?

American children books say 40 million

@Deleted User none. He tryed to get rid of them by asking them to leave.

I'm impressed.

I'm not

This is very new to my experience. OK, 600,000 deaths in gulag.

I think we have a massive antiauthoritarian propaganda against both left and right

What are the ways to fight it?

When do we send libertarian filth to camps?

You know how to cut right to it, don't you?

<:caring:312066184948350976> we have to do something about it.

I'm thinking...

First you have to identity what you are fighting against. The responce depends on the antithesis of it.

People who struggle are shaped by what they are fighting against.

This is why it is so easy to divide the Left and Right, and even divides within each. Groups are shooting at different goals in terms of who they think they are fighting against. If there is no agreement on the cause, it is impossible to fight against.

Whether or not there is a final 'boogeyman' is not important. Consensus is important.

Normal people like individual liberty and they're only going to warm up to Protectionism.

>implying normies possess individual agency

Do you, define it

People like to have land and easily get things they want done

Authoritarianism doesn't happen in America, even now the corporate foreign lobbied government is despised

Because it oversteps on everyone

@Deleted User and what we have to fight against?

People do not break the mold because it is too costly. This social compliance is evidence of passivism. Rational behaviour from an atomised perspective, but this is not reality. Individualism is ironically the path to exploitation

@Firefly You tell me. The enemy depends on your ideology. Is there a way to get consensus between different political ideology? I don't know. But it is a line in the sand. And getting bearings in the 'competition of ideas' is an important starting point.

@Deleted User I'm asking you. I may have a completely different vision from you.

Personally I have little ambition to 'fix' anything. I was entertaining your question on how to bring the libertarians into camps. Your question implied there was common ground between left and right authoritarianism. Thinking about this I was hesitant to say anything specific about activism in the world, because in the current climate it is easy to go from 0 to life imprisonment by mere suggestion.

I guess I do not know enough about your political stance to answer in more detail.

@Firefly What is your stance on 'Socialism in One Nation'?

Stalin thought we can establish a country that will later unite the world.

I agree. We can do it, yes. @Deleted User

@Firefly In this case perhaps we could get a consensus on the strong nation state. I do not like Mussolini, but he did comment on his admiration of Stalin, saying the Soviet Union was Slavic Nationalism. The full nationalisation of that society is very bold. Perhaps if Fascism was allowed to mature and analysis its own weaknesses, it too would look more towards full state control. But to do this from the onset was seen as too costly for the relatively developed Europe.

@Deleted User strong nation state may be a priority, yes. The unity is possible on an anti-imperialist basis. If you support our anti-imperialist world crusade.

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I guess what I am really getting is a pretty radical position. You have to disrupt people's comfort zones and force them into take an a side on an absolute question.
Whatever the policy, is has to have real consequences. The individual will not take notice until he is personally effected.

Lets disrupt

In my opinion, politics and government has lost respect. Politics has lost its sense of urgency and consequence.

Question: is your vision of the proletariat an 'us vs them' idea?

The way to break into the Right wing mentality is to present a strong character that commands respect.

What is the character of the proletariat?

What I like about 'Socialism in One Nation' is that it counts its pieces. It makes clear what is friend and foe.

That dichotomy is how you make people choose a side.

Alligence to the Party is the way to solve dichtomy

You have to show clearly what the consequences will be if people choose the wrong side and make it credible enough for them to address it. Whether the threat is real or imagined doesn't matter. It brings the struggle into people's consciousness.

That just technicalities. We should use every way possible.

Sure. I am saying you have to force the issue, or it will get no where. At this point Left Authoritarianism seems pretty Fascist to me! <:troll:312064734113431553>

I'm not against of the use of force against any fascist without an alligence.

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In my view, Fascism is built around the Volksgeist, the 'spirit of the people'. It is interchangable whatever it is. Where Marxism fills that is not for me to judge! It is all the same.

What a weird place I find myself.

The more I think about it, the weirder it gets. Marxism resolves the eternal struggle between ingroup and outgroup by making the ingroup everyone. That is the same as the final victory. Very admirable.

The Right often debates and counters with the idea that the human hardware can not handle such objective notions. Not yet. The overcoming of man's shortcomings is implicit in a Communist vision of the future. This is a very Nietzsche idea.

'The New Soviet Man' is an interesting formation of this idea.

Overcoming is important, yes? Clone factories would advance faster than computers. <:p_:312057780317978625>

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Welcome to /leftypol/ a low-moderation channel. Feel yourself free here.

i'm soo glad i woke up and got the fuck out of antifa. ijs

Antifa is fucking retarded you better stay tf outta that shit

they'd hospitalise me if they knew where I'm at now

i didnt even know reverse lobotomies were possible. Life is good

don't hate, i'm just tryna bait. hail victory

Whats wrong with antifa?