<:caring:312066184948350976> we have to do something about it.

I'm thinking...

First you have to identity what you are fighting against. The responce depends on the antithesis of it.

People who struggle are shaped by what they are fighting against.

This is why it is so easy to divide the Left and Right, and even divides within each. Groups are shooting at different goals in terms of who they think they are fighting against. If there is no agreement on the cause, it is impossible to fight against.

Whether or not there is a final 'boogeyman' is not important. Consensus is important.

Normal people like individual liberty and they're only going to warm up to Protectionism.

>implying normies possess individual agency

Do you, define it

People like to have land and easily get things they want done

Authoritarianism doesn't happen in America, even now the corporate foreign lobbied government is despised

Because it oversteps on everyone

@Deleted User and what we have to fight against?

People do not break the mold because it is too costly. This social compliance is evidence of passivism. Rational behaviour from an atomised perspective, but this is not reality. Individualism is ironically the path to exploitation

@Firefly You tell me. The enemy depends on your ideology. Is there a way to get consensus between different political ideology? I don't know. But it is a line in the sand. And getting bearings in the 'competition of ideas' is an important starting point.

@Deleted User I'm asking you. I may have a completely different vision from you.

Personally I have little ambition to 'fix' anything. I was entertaining your question on how to bring the libertarians into camps. Your question implied there was common ground between left and right authoritarianism. Thinking about this I was hesitant to say anything specific about activism in the world, because in the current climate it is easy to go from 0 to life imprisonment by mere suggestion.

I guess I do not know enough about your political stance to answer in more detail.

@Firefly What is your stance on 'Socialism in One Nation'?

Stalin thought we can establish a country that will later unite the world.

I agree. We can do it, yes. @Deleted User

@Firefly In this case perhaps we could get a consensus on the strong nation state. I do not like Mussolini, but he did comment on his admiration of Stalin, saying the Soviet Union was Slavic Nationalism. The full nationalisation of that society is very bold. Perhaps if Fascism was allowed to mature and analysis its own weaknesses, it too would look more towards full state control. But to do this from the onset was seen as too costly for the relatively developed Europe.

@Deleted User strong nation state may be a priority, yes. The unity is possible on an anti-imperialist basis. If you support our anti-imperialist world crusade.

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I guess what I am really getting is a pretty radical position. You have to disrupt people's comfort zones and force them into take an a side on an absolute question.
Whatever the policy, is has to have real consequences. The individual will not take notice until he is personally effected.

Lets disrupt

In my opinion, politics and government has lost respect. Politics has lost its sense of urgency and consequence.

Question: is your vision of the proletariat an 'us vs them' idea?

The way to break into the Right wing mentality is to present a strong character that commands respect.

What is the character of the proletariat?

What I like about 'Socialism in One Nation' is that it counts its pieces. It makes clear what is friend and foe.

That dichotomy is how you make people choose a side.

Alligence to the Party is the way to solve dichtomy

You have to show clearly what the consequences will be if people choose the wrong side and make it credible enough for them to address it. Whether the threat is real or imagined doesn't matter. It brings the struggle into people's consciousness.

That just technicalities. We should use every way possible.

Sure. I am saying you have to force the issue, or it will get no where. At this point Left Authoritarianism seems pretty Fascist to me! <:troll:312064734113431553>

I'm not against of the use of force against any fascist without an alligence.

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In my view, Fascism is built around the Volksgeist, the 'spirit of the people'. It is interchangable whatever it is. Where Marxism fills that is not for me to judge! It is all the same.

What a weird place I find myself.

The more I think about it, the weirder it gets. Marxism resolves the eternal struggle between ingroup and outgroup by making the ingroup everyone. That is the same as the final victory. Very admirable.