You're right. How many jews did Hitler gas?

American children books say 40 million

@Deleted User none. He tryed to get rid of them by asking them to leave.

I'm impressed.

I'm not

This is very new to my experience. OK, 600,000 deaths in gulag.

I think we have a massive antiauthoritarian propaganda against both left and right

What are the ways to fight it?

When do we send libertarian filth to camps?

You know how to cut right to it, don't you?

<:caring:312066184948350976> we have to do something about it.

I'm thinking...

First you have to identity what you are fighting against. The responce depends on the antithesis of it.

People who struggle are shaped by what they are fighting against.

This is why it is so easy to divide the Left and Right, and even divides within each. Groups are shooting at different goals in terms of who they think they are fighting against. If there is no agreement on the cause, it is impossible to fight against.

Whether or not there is a final 'boogeyman' is not important. Consensus is important.

Normal people like individual liberty and they're only going to warm up to Protectionism.

>implying normies possess individual agency

Do you, define it

People like to have land and easily get things they want done

Authoritarianism doesn't happen in America, even now the corporate foreign lobbied government is despised

Because it oversteps on everyone

@Deleted User and what we have to fight against?

People do not break the mold because it is too costly. This social compliance is evidence of passivism. Rational behaviour from an atomised perspective, but this is not reality. Individualism is ironically the path to exploitation

@Firefly You tell me. The enemy depends on your ideology. Is there a way to get consensus between different political ideology? I don't know. But it is a line in the sand. And getting bearings in the 'competition of ideas' is an important starting point.

@Deleted User I'm asking you. I may have a completely different vision from you.

Personally I have little ambition to 'fix' anything. I was entertaining your question on how to bring the libertarians into camps. Your question implied there was common ground between left and right authoritarianism. Thinking about this I was hesitant to say anything specific about activism in the world, because in the current climate it is easy to go from 0 to life imprisonment by mere suggestion.

I guess I do not know enough about your political stance to answer in more detail.

@Firefly What is your stance on 'Socialism in One Nation'?

Stalin thought we can establish a country that will later unite the world.

I agree. We can do it, yes. @Deleted User

@Firefly In this case perhaps we could get a consensus on the strong nation state. I do not like Mussolini, but he did comment on his admiration of Stalin, saying the Soviet Union was Slavic Nationalism. The full nationalisation of that society is very bold. Perhaps if Fascism was allowed to mature and analysis its own weaknesses, it too would look more towards full state control. But to do this from the onset was seen as too costly for the relatively developed Europe.

@Deleted User strong nation state may be a priority, yes. The unity is possible on an anti-imperialist basis. If you support our anti-imperialist world crusade.

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I guess what I am really getting is a pretty radical position. You have to disrupt people's comfort zones and force them into take an a side on an absolute question.
Whatever the policy, is has to have real consequences. The individual will not take notice until he is personally effected.

Lets disrupt

In my opinion, politics and government has lost respect. Politics has lost its sense of urgency and consequence.

Question: is your vision of the proletariat an 'us vs them' idea?

The way to break into the Right wing mentality is to present a strong character that commands respect.

What is the character of the proletariat?

What I like about 'Socialism in One Nation' is that it counts its pieces. It makes clear what is friend and foe.