harmonious relationship between what?

do you even know why governments were established?

To perpetuate exploitative relationships built on dominance and slavery.

ahahahahaha

funny

but no

governments were designed to defend the people from foreigners

Were they? At which level of development? For that to be true, then people couldn't defend themselves without government, which is false.

I am speaking of ancient times.

the people could not organize properly against a raider party

the people were not able to defend themselves

I have no idea what you are talking about.

you don't seem to understand

others would organize raiding partys to steal from other smaller villagers

normally food or women

What culture are you talking about?

ancient african.

Pre Mesopotamian era

Let's go with your 'raiders' example. Didn't that 'work'?

didn't what work?

the raiding partys?

I mean, if raiding didn't work, why make a response to them?

raiding did work.

thats why villages combined with eachother

and developed governments

and then armys

to defend from raiders

Hmmm, this makes sense actually.

Government is for defence.

yes

and helping the people

Anarchy is for offence.

offence of what?

Class and private property is not helpful. It is domineering.

Offence of the people.

helping the people, should be dictated by the people.

By they can't. The only thing people can dictate is themselves.

thats not my point

the people should decide what the government helps them in.

majority>minority

They can't.

People are not gods.

no

but the majority should dictate.

everyone should work to benefit the community.

not themselves.

nation>individual

Wrong. All political structures create a political class and monopoly of ideas.

not always

as long as the government is for the people

by the people

it may work.

I just told you that is impossible.

how is it impossible

take the german reich for example

it was thriving

until poor military decisions destroyed it

That's authoritarian not democratic.

In practice.

yes but it is for the community

Mind you, I think authoritarian is superior to democracy.

I agree

but

the people should elect the leader

But the people themselves do not have the ability to represent themselves on any higher level. Thus the need for enlightened authority.

the people should elect the leader out of practicality

because if not

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violence?

Well, for me there is no leader.

But in this scenario any way is necessary.

It just so happens that democracy is the path of least resistance but not necessarily so.

but think about it.

if the people elect a leader

for a generation

and after that leaders death

the people could elect a new leader based on their issues

not the previous generations issues

According to what? After the supreme leader is in power, the whole game of how he got there changes. There is no going back. No 'backsies'.

he can't go back correct

that leader will serve the people for the rest of his life

This is why Anarchism is best. No short term ends. Just one person and their commitment against dominance.

yes

but you must remember

the people can not defend themselves

not well atleast

even now one of the main purposes of government is to defend the people

Let me burst a bubble for you. What you have in your head about 'things' making people more powerful and being able to achieve things, are just imaginary power structures. What is really being done here but the re-arranging of duties in people's lives? This sacred thing you call 'government' is just made up of people pointed in a certain direction. We shouldn't limit ourselves to being controlled by this idea, but take it and realise it was the 'people' making this happen all along.

I understand the government is made by the people

it is made to defend and assist the people

Defence of what?

of the people inhabiting the land of the government

imagine

if there was an anarchist society

so

this means

no coherent military

no military funding or construction

now

if said society gets invaded