you act like the belief in "fairy tales" is a detrimental thing for human development

atheism has no tradition

Well, here's why. Sure, religion keeps you from existential crisis, but it also keeps you irrational. If you want humans to develop they have to be rational, and this is incompatible with religion without being schizophrenic.

It doesn't keep you irrational at all, where do you get this

Innovations is haulted by intellectual luddites called 'devout religious people'.

If you believe in God, you believe it has rational basis.

to describe religion as oppressive you'd logically apply the same to all human culture

You believe that God has explanatory power.

You believe that God causes you to travel into the afterlife.

It is no co-incidence that society has been moving into a secular post-cultural mode.

The vast masses of people dont need to be rational in the scientific sense

The masses are not naturally atheistic

Yeah, the masses of people don't need to be, but regardless religion is still irrational

It's broken down to having zero evidence, and purely being based upon "faith"

What doesn't have evidence?

God, afterlife, the whole bit...

Theism?

I think theism is the result of psychological evolution

Sure.

basically the amalgamation of the truest of all values

humans have a tendency towards hierarchy

I'm not talking about theism, I'm talking about religion

But you are making empirical claims based on psychology. These things misfire all the time.

humans cannot feel the same towards equals as they do to a divine power

define religion

explain @Deleted User

Have you heard of 'phantom limbs', where amputees still feel sensations as if they still had their limb?

The body is misfiring, even though it evolved this way.

Just because psychology evolved a certain way does not mean it exists empirically.

There a plenty of examples in psychology of sensory illusions.

There are misfires but this doesn't mean that the reaction itself has no evolutionary purpose

Again, you are confusing subjective purpose with objective empirical claims.

also, this relies on empirical observation, and religion isn't emperical for most people

Yes it is.

unless they have an experience like that

People literally think God will send them to Heaven. That's an empirical claim.

Which there is no evidence for.

Yes it is.

but look at the psychological mechanisms that would lead to that kind of thinking

The divine arbiter would decide whether their actions were meaningful enough to deserve heaven

this gives their actions meaning

I'm not saying that God doesn't give people meaning. I am say that it is based on sensory illusion.

As far as we can tell.

I worship my ancestors tbh

🅱️aganism

Sorry

I'm back

@Americana - MD#3916 You still believe in an afterlife?

Not really

No

I think leaving a legacy is important though

I now have a fidget spinner

god as an actor is hard to prove

What would happen if you learned that you were infertile?

and still hasn't

And building a future for you kids

I would still work towards a better future for my family

My folk in general

Whioe that sounds good

What if your family and folk was killed in a nuclear holocaust? Would you life have no meaning?

Are you a neo-Paganist? (Hedonism) or the 'ancestoral blood and belief' kinda pagan?

I'd still try to build something to leave for the world

Some sort of remnant

@Americana - MD#3916 What would you build?

@Anglican the latter lol

@Deleted User you got to work with whatever you've got fam 👌🏻

Pagans generally fall into one or two groups, hedonists or hard hearted utilitarians.

I'd agree with that

I'm firm that you're a hard hearted utilitarian. You may be a bit better then others, not sure yet.

In a macro sense

I'm not like out sacrificing goats or anything lol

Sure, there is over lap and people who fall outside of both.

I'm a Christian by the way.

That's cool

I would love to be this brainwashed, where if everything I worshipped was destroyed but I was so conditions in the values that I would continue like a robot regardless.

(((Abrahamic))) religion though tbh

**Another check list off the Paganist checklist**

🤷🏻‍♂️

**Erases check**

Lol

paganism > christianity

I won't really argue it though

>pagan in 2017

At least they kill the shit out of kebab

paganism is ethno-religious

which is perfect

exactly what religion should be

The funny thing is that Pagans followed Christian law before Christ

🤔

>believing in fairy tales
Humanity really are unimpressive.

@Deleted User I remember being an edgy atheist in highschool too

**B o g**

I am neither, thanks.

Lol

He's actually trying to find his faith

I'm just broken, maybe.

but he's challanging everything.

>reducing thousands of years of evolving tradition to a catch-all

**Shrug** Maybe I'm wrong

don't care