Message from @Deleted User

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2017-09-12 02:13:01 UTC  

It doesn't keep you irrational at all, where do you get this

2017-09-12 02:13:10 UTC  

Innovations is haulted by intellectual luddites called 'devout religious people'.

2017-09-12 02:13:28 UTC  

If you believe in God, you believe it has rational basis.

2017-09-12 02:13:37 UTC  

to describe religion as oppressive you'd logically apply the same to all human culture

2017-09-12 02:13:39 UTC  

You believe that God has explanatory power.

2017-09-12 02:13:55 UTC  

You believe that God causes you to travel into the afterlife.

2017-09-12 02:14:24 UTC  

It is no co-incidence that society has been moving into a secular post-cultural mode.

2017-09-12 02:14:24 UTC  

The vast masses of people dont need to be rational in the scientific sense

2017-09-12 02:14:41 UTC  

The masses are not naturally atheistic

2017-09-12 02:14:51 UTC  

Yeah, the masses of people don't need to be, but regardless religion is still irrational

2017-09-12 02:15:07 UTC  

It's broken down to having zero evidence, and purely being based upon "faith"

2017-09-12 02:15:29 UTC  

What doesn't have evidence?

2017-09-12 02:15:48 UTC  

God, afterlife, the whole bit...

2017-09-12 02:16:09 UTC  

Theism?

2017-09-12 02:16:23 UTC  

I think theism is the result of psychological evolution

2017-09-12 02:16:30 UTC  

Sure.

2017-09-12 02:16:47 UTC  

basically the amalgamation of the truest of all values

2017-09-12 02:16:57 UTC  

humans have a tendency towards hierarchy

2017-09-12 02:17:03 UTC  

I'm not talking about theism, I'm talking about religion

2017-09-12 02:17:15 UTC  

But you are making empirical claims based on psychology. These things misfire all the time.

2017-09-12 02:17:18 UTC  

humans cannot feel the same towards equals as they do to a divine power

2017-09-12 02:17:21 UTC  

define religion

2017-09-12 02:17:31 UTC  
2017-09-12 02:18:12 UTC  

Have you heard of 'phantom limbs', where amputees still feel sensations as if they still had their limb?

2017-09-12 02:18:29 UTC  

The body is misfiring, even though it evolved this way.

2017-09-12 02:18:56 UTC  

Just because psychology evolved a certain way does not mean it exists empirically.

2017-09-12 02:19:22 UTC  

There a plenty of examples in psychology of sensory illusions.

2017-09-12 02:19:48 UTC  

There are misfires but this doesn't mean that the reaction itself has no evolutionary purpose

2017-09-12 02:20:17 UTC  

Again, you are confusing subjective purpose with objective empirical claims.

2017-09-12 02:20:18 UTC  

also, this relies on empirical observation, and religion isn't emperical for most people

2017-09-12 02:20:25 UTC  

Yes it is.

2017-09-12 02:20:26 UTC  

unless they have an experience like that

2017-09-12 02:20:41 UTC  

People literally think God will send them to Heaven. That's an empirical claim.

2017-09-12 02:21:12 UTC  

Which there is no evidence for.

2017-09-12 02:21:22 UTC  

Yes it is.

2017-09-12 02:21:43 UTC  

but look at the psychological mechanisms that would lead to that kind of thinking

2017-09-12 02:22:45 UTC  

The divine arbiter would decide whether their actions were meaningful enough to deserve heaven

2017-09-12 02:22:52 UTC  

this gives their actions meaning

2017-09-12 02:23:58 UTC  

I'm not saying that God doesn't give people meaning. I am say that it is based on sensory illusion.

2017-09-12 02:24:08 UTC  

As far as we can tell.

2017-09-12 02:24:48 UTC  

I worship my ancestors tbh